Half the Answer

Caitlin and Trent talk with Jonathan Howard, a neurologist, psychiatrist, and author of *Everyone Else Is Lying to You* and *We Want Them Infected*, both books analyzing the policies and discourses around the COVID-19 pandemic.

Resources

Science-Based Medicine website: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/

*Everyone Else Is Lying to You*: https://bookshop.org/a/115699/9781959346999

*We Want Them Infected*: https://bookshop.org/a/115699/9781959346036

Zeb Larson, "Propaganda, Rather than Pandemic Policies, Caused the War on Public Health" https://www.liberalcurrents.com/propaganda-rather-than-pandemic-policies-caused-the-war-on-public-health/

"crank magnetism" https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-pseudoscience/crank-magnetism-weston-price-foundation

Trent and Caitlin talk with journalist and author Jonathan Katz about the gangsters of capitalism, the imperial boomerang, and the moral injuries inflicted when officers, agents, and soldiers engage in the inhumane and depraved acts that are demanded of them.

Resources

Jonathan's book https://jonathanmkatz.com/gangsters

https://theracket.news

https://www.tiktok.com/@katzonearth?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/katzonearth/?hl=en

imperial boomerang https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/4383-the-imperial-boomerang-how-colonial-methods-of-repression-migrate-back-to-the-metropolis?srsltid=AfmBOorPodSS76ia1ZcpE5D7F77PSU84p0owKWfM2ukUp0s1E10FaYmr

the wrongest war https://theracket.news/p/the-wrongest-war

moral injury https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treat/cooccurring/moral_injury.asp

LA agents drive away with toddler https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-11-04/ice-border-patrol-dodger-stadium-parking-lot

US-Mexico restriction https://www.cbsnews.com/news/warning-signs-mexico-beach-us-department-of-defense-property/

Controlled Pod Into Terrain https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNrA2-FWoOnpgOS-ywSQlow

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https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/unauthorized-us-signs-on-mexican-beach-along-texas-border-lead-to-international-dispute-mexico-president-trump-military-action-marines-drug-war-rio-grande

Trent and Caitlin speak with journalist Spencer Ackerman about the CIA, DHS, and other parts of the US government ostensibly protecting us from terrorism. How have they achieved this level of impunity? What are the precedents for the intolerable level of human rights and privacy violations we see today? What have we allowed to be done to the “other” in the past and present?

Resources

https://www.forever-wars.com/

Spencer's upcoming book https://www.forever-wars.com/book-two-majid-khan-iran-troops/

Spencer’s Iron Man issue https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/114934/iron_man_2024_1

Homan Square https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

USS Gerald Ford in Caribbean https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/uss-gerald-r-ford-caribeean-venezuela-rcna244193

Sexual abuse in ICE detention https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/hundreds-of-immigrants-have-reported-sexual-abuse-at-ice-facilities-most-cases-arent-investigated

CIA abusive practices https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/enhanced-interrogation-tactics-included-lunch-tray-gruesome-force-feeding-methods

Susan Sontag https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2001/09/24/tuesday-and-after-talk-of-the-town

Stellar Wind https://www.theguardian.com/nsa-inspector-general-report-document-data-collection

"surveillance capitalism" https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/03/harvard-professor-says-surveillance-capitalism-is-undermining-democracy/

Palantir and the CIA https://www.fastcompany.com/91446398/cia-police-palantir-alex-karp-predictive-peter-thiel-paypal-sequoia

"white innocence" https://www.dukeupress.edu/white-innocence

Caitlin and Trent speak with educational policy researcher Derek Gottlieb about what it's like to research education in a country whose administration thinks public education shouldn't really even be a thing.

Resources:

https://www.derekgottliebphd.com/

"Building a Better Teacher" https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Teachers-t.html

Kristof, "Obama and Our Schools" https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/opinion/13kristof.html

Cavell, "The Claim of Reason" https://academic.oup.com/book/49825

Malcolm Gladwell's quarterback problem https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/12/15/most-likely-to-succeed-malcolm-gladwell

Reduction in Force notices https://www.k12dive.com/news/education-department-layoffs-what-to-know-special-education-civil-rights-lawsuits/802779/

Reduction in Force halted https://www.npr.org/2025/10/28/nx-s1-5585083/government-shutdown-trump-rif-layoffs

Ahmed, "On Being Included" https://www.dukeupress.edu/on-being-included

Caitlin and Trent speak with livestreamer Audrey Lee about her experiences participating in and documenting protests at the Portland ICE facility. Audrey explains the relationship among the people on the street, the officers of various departments and agencies, and the counterprotesters and right-wing influencers who have been interacting since she arrived this fall.

Resources

https://www.tiktok.com/@awkwardly_audrey?_r=1&_t=ZT-91NRgOQJsXl

https://youtube.com/@awkwardlyaudrey?si=hn9Pm439rt_LO0lx

National ICE stories:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/us/ice-immigration-customs-enforcement-explained-cec

https://www.vera.org/news/more-people-are-in-immigration-detention-than-ever-before

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruits-showed-training-full-vetting-rcna238739

https://www.wired.com/story/fbi-warns-of-criminals-posing-as-ice-urges-agents-to-id-themselves/

https://newrepublic.com/post/196292/ice-director-tom-homan-immigration-crackdown

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/press-release/congress-approves-unprecedented-funding-mass-detention-deportation-2025/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-immigration-diplomats-secret-calls-b2856464.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/06/09/trumps-immigration-crackdown-guru-stephen-miller-wants-even-more-arrests/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-miller-yells-ice-agents-152117107.html

Customs and Border Patrol

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-agents-replace-top-leadership-at-ice-offices-despite-human-rights-violations

US Citizens detained:

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

Kavanaugh stop:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf

New York:

https://longisland.news12.com/federal-jury-awards-112m-to-immigrants-detained-by-suffolk-for-ice

Florida:

https://www.latintimes.com/congressman-reveals-conditions-alligator-alcatraz-that-made-his-heart-sink-after-tour-586655

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/former-alligator-alcatraz-worker-describes-inhumane-conditions-inside/3673307/

Illinois:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/lawsuit-alleges-inhumane-conditions-at-broadview-ice-processing-facility/3846195/

https://abc7chicago.com/post/ice-chicago-news-lawsuit-filed-aclu-illinois-conditions-inside-broadview-facility-court-tuesday/18111176/

https://time.com/7323334/ice-raid-chicago-pritzker-trump/

Oregon:

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/10/ice-in-oregon-pointing-rifles-at-family-stopping-minors-at-gunpoint-laying-on-top-of-man-during-arrest.html

https://www.opb.org/article/2025/10/14/lawmakers-condemn-ice-arrest-four-gresham-construction-workers/

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/11/ice-detains-us-citizen-for-7-hours-after-she-photographed-agents-in-gresham.html

https://www.opb.org/article/2025/11/08/hillsboro-immigration-customs-enforcement-victor-cruz-ice-oregon-washington-county-democrats/

https://opb.org/article/2025/11/05/washington-county-emergency-increased-ice-activity/

At the Portland facility:

https://www.portland.gov/hello/news/2025/7/8/update-chemical-munitions-use-near-ice-facility

Right wing influencers aren’t journalists and they’ve got Trump’s ear:

https://www.theverge.com/policy/813408/portland-influencers-national-guard-oregon-ninth-circuit

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/11/livestreamers-are-filming-and-sometimes-creating-conflict-at-portland-ice-protests-for-clicks-and-cash.html

NG went to OR despite order:

https://www.opb.org/article/2025/10/29/oregon-national-guard-portland-ice-immigration-karin-immergut-donald-trump/

https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/bonamici-wyden-merkley-dexter-demand-answers-about-portland-ice-facility

Trent and Caitlin speak with Professor John Pfaff, author of "Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration—and How to Achieve Real Reform." They talk about prisons, militarized police, and ICE in today's political climate.

Resources:

John's book https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/john-pfaff/locked-in/9780465096916/?lens=basic-books

ICE accidentally gasses everybody https://newrepublic.com/post/202443/portland-police-chief-donald-trump-protest-tear-gas-accident

Mutual aid supplies cleared https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/10/portlands-ice-protest-camp-was-suddenly-cleared-by-police-after-months-of-routine-removals-heres-why.html

John's Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/johnpfaff.bsky.social

John's website https://johnfpfaff.com

Ghettoside https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100077/ghettoside-by-jill-leovy/

Study of gun-carrying young people in NYC https://www.innovatingjustice.org/resources/gun-violence-brooklyn/

Gun boats in Chicago river https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/ice-us-customs-and-border-patrol-boats-spotted-on-chicago-river/

Skip Intro on Copaganda https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2ac8vr2QyTdlWwd8OQIc1it6bAfMGPPC

Kavanaugh defends racial profiling https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/09/justice-brett-kavanaugh-and-racial-proxies/

Kalief Browder https://innocenceproject.org/news/remembering-kalief-browder-year-suicide-rikers-island-shutdown/

Chicago pajama guy https://www.reuters.com/world/us/were-not-violent-city-chicago-locals-take-ice-block-by-block-2025-11-02/

Migra whistle information https://migrawhistle.carrd.co/

Caitlin and Trent check in with Daniel Harper of the "I Don't Speak German" podcast, taking another moment to peek under the rock and discover that the creepy crawlies are making friends with each other. They discuss the controversial interview between Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, the role it seems to be playing in the far right, and various reactions (the good and the goofy).

Resources:

I Don’t Speak German

https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com

Ali Breland on the interview https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2025/10/nick-fuentes-tucker-carlson-interview/684792/

Michele Goldberg on the interview https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/03/opinion/nick-fuentes-kirk-successor.html

The Bulwark on the interview https://www.thebulwark.com/p/one-of-the-most-dangerous-interviews-ever-maga-media-tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=The%2BBulwark&utm_campaign=publer

Knowledge Fight episode on the interview https://knowledgefight.libsyn.com/1089-tucker-the-man-and-his-capitulation

Fired over comments? No! https://www.mediamatters.org/right-side-broadcasting/right-side-broadcasting-and-nicholas-fuentes-host-who-participated-white

On the no fly list because of asking questions? No! https://thegrayzone.com/2023/02/15/nick-fuentes-america-firsts-death/

Fuentes threatened by gunman https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/19/nick-fuentes-armed-man/77090618007/

The SPLC article he blames https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/nick-fuentes-trades-parents-basement-pricey-livestreaming-den/

Heritage Foundation reaction https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes-interview-heritage-foundation-outrage-rcna241251

When the Clock Broke https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374605445/whentheclockbroke/

Molly Conger on car attacks https://podcasts.apple.com/lu/podcast/a-brief-history-of-vehicular-violence/id1760218611?i=1000714601117&l=de-DE

William Luther Pierce https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/william-pierce/

David Duke https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/david-duke/

Oswald Spengler https://www.britannica.com/biography/Oswald-Spengler

Robby Soave's "Deplatforming" article https://reason.com/2025/10/30/deplatforming-nick-fuentes-wont-stop-antisemitism/

Caitlin and Trent check in with attorney and legal scholar Madiba K. Dennie about the Supreme Court and the originalist reading of the US Constitution—and why the originalist reading is a trap.

Resources

https://ballsandstrikes.org

https://madibadennie.com/

The Originalism Trap https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/735353/the-originalism-trap-by-madiba-k-dennie/

NJ Reparations Council report https://www.njreparationscouncil.org/report

Dobbs decision https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/supreme-court-case-library/dobbs-v-jackson-womens-health-organization

Gun rights decision https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/597/20-843/

Steve Vladeck on judicial power https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/91-the-broader-article-ii-implications

Trump v Casa, birthright citizenship https://www.nilc.org/articles/analyzing-scotus-trump-v-casa/

"undue burden" https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/undue_burden

"Kavanaugh Stops" https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kavanaugh-stops-american-citizens-ice-detention-rcna238194

ICE break car window with baby in car https://www.alamosanews.com/stories/ice-agents-draw-weapon-break-car-window-while-arresting-alamosa-man,103677

Kilmar Abrego Garcia https://apnews.com/article/kilmar-abrego-garcia-mistaken-deportation-smuggling-27c2822466b717f10318c3268127a518

Dreyfus Affair https://www.britannica.com/event/Dreyfus-affair

Trent and Caitlin talk with Emily Glankler of Anti-Social Studies about moments in American history that could inform us about the events of Trump’s second term as president. Who are some characters who resemble the individuals we are dealing with today? Who are the scapegoats?

Resources:

https://www.randyblazak.com

https://www.tiktok.com/@antisocialstudies?_t=ZT-90u54I8WX3F&_r=1

https://youtube.com/@AntiSocialStudies?si=1qzjSoKUDf20oTol

https://www.instagram.com/antisocstudies?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Neville-Chamberlain

https://www.itcouldhappenherebook.org

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nullification-Crisis

https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/slave-catchers-slave-resisters/

https://allthatsinteresting.com/pinkerton-detective-agency

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/chinese-immigration

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2016/summer/lavender.html

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/10450.html

https://www.randyblazak.com

Caitlin plays field reporter at the Portland ICE facility, interviewing the famous Portland chicken suit guy, Jack Dickinson himself, who gives his observations and thoughts after eight months on the scene.

Resources:

The impact of inflatables: https://www.404media.co/the-surreal-practicality-of-protesting-as-an-inflatable-frog/

ICE recruits not well vetted: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna238739

Health concerns from chemical munitions: https://www.portland.gov/hello/news/2025/7/8/update-chemical-munitions-use-near-ice-facility

Long-term effects of tear gas: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK595624/

Tracking ICE vehicles:

https://icecarsinpdx.wordpress.com

Land use violations:

https://www.portland.gov/mayor/keith-wilson/news/2025/9/17/city-portland-will-issue-land-use-violation-notice-ice-facility

Using zoning laws to fight ICE:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/20/us/politics/portland-ice.html

ICE uses extreme force:

https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2025/10/15/48075462/a-night-of-terror-civil-disobedience-met-with-extreme-force-at-portland-ice-facility

Blind man tackled and dragged by ICE:

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/10/blind-protester-dragged-detained-by-feds-says-agents-picked-the-weakest-person-they-could-find.html

Young woman sprayed by ICE:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/10/federal-officer-blasts-chemical-spray-into-vocal-but-nonviolent-portland-protester-video-shows.html

Antifa frog sprayed in his air vent:

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/10/ive-definitely-had-spicier-tamales-says-portland-ice-protest-frog-that-got-pepper-sprayed-by-federal-agents.html