In this episode the girls take on something that is not so often shared in the space of womanhood. With much thought, many sleepless nights, and endless conversations with one another they decide to finally break their silence on their desire to be childfree (not childless). They talk about the ethics of child bearing in a world with insurmountable pressures, misogyny, and severe climate issues, while also somehow trying to make it an enjoyable girls chat. They talk about how “breaking the cycle” has the same energy as living vicariously through your kids and the insane responsibility it is to bring a child into the universe without their consent. They share their own experiences with parental responsibility and get really fucking real about not needing to be a mom to be a good woman. They talk about the fear of losing your entire identity in motherhood, your career, your name, and your life as you know it while also being just as scared to spend Christmas alone when you’re 60. They talk about the unadulterated biological compulsion they have for bringing a child into the world and how some might just call that ovulation. This episode is about wanting to do the right thing, wanting to be a good mom, wanting to never be a mom, and wanting to make space to talk about all of it. Fair warning, they don’t come to any conclusions. Enjoy.