The local news industry has seen better days. The last 15 years or so have been pockmarked with mass layoffs, shuttered newspapers, and growing news deserts.

But there have been bright spots in the local news landscape … lean media startups that aim to fill the gaps left by their legacy newspaper counterparts. One such startup is called City Cast. Founded by former Slate editor David Plotz, City Cast has a unique model in which it simultaneously launches both a daily newsletter and podcast in each city it covers.

For this episode, I spoke to Bryan Vance, City Cast's director of newsletters. We discussed the company's playbook for launching in new cities, how it creates synergies between its podcasts and newsletters, and its approach to gathering local news