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Neurodivergence โ The idea that people experience and interact with the world around them in many ways, with no one 'right' way of thinking, learning, and behaving. Neurodiversity refers to the diversity of all people, but it is often used in the context of autism spectrum disorder and other neurological or developmental disorders such as ADHD or dyslexia.
For the third video interview release on Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism, we are joined by the insightful herbalist and Tarot reader with a passion for fashion, Brynna Herbener. Take your ears AND eyes along with Tommy and Brynna as they explore the identity of neurodivergence and how different frames of mind lend unique perspectives throughout herbalism that help strengthen our connection and understanding of plants.
Be sure to tune in all the way till the end of the episode to listen in to Tommy's first-ever Tarot reading! ๐
As always, we thank you for joining us on another botanical adventure and are so honored to have you tag along with us on this ride. Remember, we want to hear from you! Your questions, ideas, and who you want to hear from are an invaluable piece to our podcast. Email us at [email protected] to let us know what solutions we should uncover next within the vast world of herbalism.
Learn more about Brynna below! โฌ
Brynna Herbener is a Tarot reader and herbalist at Golden Poppy Herbal Apothecary in Fort Collins, Colorado. She is highly sensitive, Autistic, and has ADHD. Her focuses in herbalism include ancestral healing + herbal practices, neurodivergence, sexuality, herbal mythology, flower essences, and plant spirit medicine. Brynna offers general Tarot readings as well as Mystic Adornment Tarot readings. Mystic Adornment readings blend Tarot with Brynna's passion for personal style and college background in Fashion Design.
๐ฎ Seeking some herbal insights? Check out Brynna's Tarot reading business! ๐ฎ
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๐ผ Learn more about Brynna's herbalism work! ๐ผ
Meet the Staff | Golden Poppy Apothecary
๐ฟ Consider yourself more of a visual creature? ๐ฟ
Check out Brynna's video interview on our YouTube Channel!
***Caution: Pulsatilla, also known as Pasqueflower, is discussed in this episode. While Pulsatilla is a powerful herbal ally, it can be toxic in certain doses. As with all medicinal herbs, it is essential to seek guidance from a qualified healthcare professional and/or herbalist to determine what is appropriate for your body's unique needs.
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Bevin Clare is an herbalist, nutritionist, homeschooling parent, professor at the Maryland University of Integrative Health, and program director of the MS in Clinical Herbal Medicine program. She holds a MSc in Infectious Disease and has studied herbal medicine around the world. Bevin is the author of Spice Apothecary and a former President of the American Herbalists Guild. You can find her musings on herbs, foods and travel on Substack.
Listen in as Bevin and Jiling discuss travel, herbs, Bevin's book Spice Apothecary, and more!
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Jiling Lin is a Licensed Acupuncturist (L.Ac) and herbalist in Ventura, CA. A clinician and teacher, Jiling is also a passionate traveler, artist, and adventurer. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.comโ and get her free Nourishing Life (้ค็) template and Five Phases (ไบ่ก) outline. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.com and join her newsletter for seasonal beauty.
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In honor of Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism officially turning one year old, we are resharing the first-ever episode we released on the series! Featuring Leah Penniman and Lulu Moyo, tune in as we revisit this crucial conversation surrounding the injustices within our food systems and Leah and Lulu's collective goal towards growing lasting change. The Herbal Radio team extends our heartfelt gratitude to each and every one of you for listening and learning with us each week from such an esteemed group of experts within their fields. Now, on with the show!
This week on Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism, we proudly bring you an impactful and galvanizing conversation with two individuals leading the way toward a future of harmony and equity within our food systems. Leah Penniman, the Co-Founder of Soul Fire Farm, and Lulu Moyo, the Co-Director of the Braiding Seeds Fellowship, join us for a thought-provoking conversation surrounding the injustices and deep-rooted racism we continue to face within our food systems today, and their combined missions to facilitate powerful food sovereignty programs and hands-on farming opportunities to train the next generation of activist-farmers and strengthen the movement for food sovereignty and community self-determination.
As always, we thank you for joining us on another botanical adventure. We are honored to have you tag along with us on this botanical ride. Remember, we want to hear from you! Your questions, ideas, and who you want to hear from will be invaluable to this new series. So please, email us at [email protected] to let us know what solutions you'd like us to uncover within the vast world of herbalism next.
About Leah & Lulu:
๐ชป Leah Penniman (all pronouns) is a Black Kreyol farmer, author, mother, and food justice activist who has been tending the soil and organizing for an anti-racist food system for 25 years. She currently serves as founding Co-ED and Farm Director of Soul Fire Farm in Grafton, New York, a Black & Brown led project that works toward food and land justice. Her books are Farming While Black: Soul Fire Farm's Practical Guide to Liberation on the Land (2018) and Black Earth Wisdom: Soulful Conversations with Black Environmentalists (2023). Find out more about Leah's work at www.soulfirefarm.org and follow her @soulfirefarm on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
๐ท Lulama (Lulu) Moyo (she/they) is a Co-Director for the Braiding Seeds Fellowship program. She works to cultivate opportunities and audiences for sustained community centered learning as a BIPOC food justice advocate, university instructor rooted in decolonization and social change pedagogy, spoken word poet and storyteller, anti-racism organizer, and budding herbalist and traditional healer. Lulama received her B.A. in International Development and Social Change and her Master's Degree in Community Development and Planning from Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts. Her passion is in global education and policy, as well as the concerns facing Africans in the diaspora. Lulama has vast experience in youth work and creative arts community activism in the United States and Southern Africa. As a queer, Zimbabwean, femme she works to honor the intersectional histories of Black and Brown lineages in order to uphold our dignity, humanity, and love.
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This week's episodes on Tea Talks with Jiling, we are joined by KhadiYah Preciado. KhadiYah is a passionate author, herbal teacher, and mother dedicated to empowering others to reconnect with nature's healing power through African-centered and biblically aligned herbalism. As the founder of Yah's Apothecary, she combines her professional expertise with personal experience to empower others to heal their bodies, nurture their families, and build thriving herbal businesses.
Jiling and KhadiYah discuss KhadiYah's 4 Step Journey and 4 Levels of Safety approaches to learning herbalism, and her T.E.A. Method for formulating. We touch on African herbalism, some spring plants that KhadiYah loves integrating into her apothecary and kitchen, introducing children to herbs, and more.
๐ชปVisit KhadiYah Preciado at:
๐ชท Jiling Lin is a Licensed Acupuncturist (L.Ac) and herbalist in Ventura, CA. A clinician and teacher, Jiling is also a passionate traveler, artist, and adventurer. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.comโ and get her free Nourishing Life (้ค็) template and Five Phases (ไบ่ก) outline. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.com and join her newsletter for seasonal beauty.
Join our community! Subscribe to the Mountain Rose Herbs newsletter Subscribe to Mountain Rose Herbs on YouTube Follow on Instagram Like on Facebook Follow on Pinterest Read the Mountain Rose Herbs blog Follow on TikTok Strengthening the bonds between people and plants for a healthier world. Mountain Rose Herbs www.mountainroseherbs.com
This week on Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism, we are joined by our long-time beloved friends, farm partners, and stewards of the regenerative organic farming movement, Elise and Jeff Higley. Tune in with Tommy, Elise, and Jeff, as they explore what it means to be a Regenerative Organic Certifiedยฎ farmer and how we must grow alongside the movement of regenerative agriculture for the preservation of our food systems and the future of our planet.
Elise and Jeff also share about the upcoming Oshala Herb Camp, which is weekend campout hosted in the breathtaking landscape of Grants Pass, Oregon on July 27 โ 29. Filled with classes on medicine making, materia medica, botanical crafting, and hands-on experience for what life on an herb farm is like, Oshala Herb Camp weaves agriculture, herbalism, and sustainability into one to create a weekend of community building with plant-lovers from all walks of life. Be sure to check out the hyperlink above or detailed links included below to learn more about this invaluable opportunity!
Learn more about Oshala Farm and the farmers behind it below! โฌ๏ธ
๐ Oshala Farm is a 290-acre Regenerative Organic Certifiedยฎ family farm in Southern Oregon growing more than 80 varieties of medicinal and culinary herbs. With Elise's background in Western Herbalism and Jeff's background in organic farming, they blended their dreams and created a full-fledged herb farm in 2013. Oshala Farm is where they cultivate with consciousness to ensure that their herbs are grown with care, dedication, and a love for the land. Elise and Jeff consider it an honor to be stewards of the Earth and to grow herbs that support community health.
๐ชปElise Higley is a folk herbalist, wife, mother, grandmother, and farmer. She was inspired to start an herb farm when she started a line of herbal teas, but she had trouble sourcing herbs domestically and with the quality she was looking for. In her pastime, (10pm - 5am) she works on agricultural advocacy as a board member of Our Family Farms, Rogue Valley Food System Network. Elise also represents a farmer's voice on the board of the American Herbal Products Association (AHPA). Elise has taught for over a decade at numerous national herbal gatherings and events along with organizing and hosting an annual herb camp on Oshala Farm for the past 5 years.
๐จ๐ผโ๐พ Jeff Higley has spent over the last 25 years farming vegetables in Southern California for CSAs, farmer's markets, and restaurants. He has grown vanilla, kava, fruit, flowers, and vegetables in Fiji for wholesale, resort, and direct markets. Jeff currently leads the farming at Oshala Farm and also maintains a busy teaching schedule, where he teaches about growing herbs, drying, and farm finance at Universities, conferences, and events.
Read all about the Oshala Herb Camp on the Oshala Farm Blog!
๐๏ธ Wake Up With the Plants: A Morning at Herb Camp ๐๏ธ
Learn about last year's Oshala Herb Camp on the Mountain Rose Herbs Blog!
๐พ Cultivating Consciousness with Oshala Farm ๐พ
Take a virtual journey through Oshala Farm on our YouTube Channel!
โฐ๏ธ Organic Farming for the Future โฐ๏ธ
Find out why Mountain Rose Herbs can't get enough of Regenerative Agriculture!
๐ฟ Furthering Our Commitment to Sustainability and Transparency: Regenerative Organics ๐ฟ
๐ฟ Consider yourself more of a visual creature? ๐
Check out Elise and Jeff's video interview on our YouTube Channel!
Join our community! Subscribe to the Mountain Rose Herbs newsletter Subscribe to Mountain Rose Herbs on YouTube Follow on Instagram Like on Facebook Follow on Pinterest Read the Mountain Rose Herbs blog Follow on TikTok Strengthening the bonds between people and plants for a healthier world. Mountain Rose Herbs www.mountainroseherbs.com
This week on Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism, we are joined by the profoundly talented ecology illustrator and lifelong lover of nature, Emily Poole. Emily's love for the natural world shines evidently through her artwork, which combines whimsical and educational elements that highlight the intentionality behind every corner of her illustrations. Tag along with Emily and Tommy as they explore Emily's journey into becoming a natural history illustrator and why ecology illustrations play an important role towards the conservation of our planet.
As always, we thank you for joining us on another botanical adventure and are honored to have you tag along with us on this ride. Remember, we want to hear from you! Your questions, ideas, and who you want to hear from are invaluable to our podcast. Email us at [email protected] to let us know what solutions we should uncover next within the vast world of herbalism.
๐ฃ Exciting announcement! The Herbal Radio team is thrilled to be bringing back the video portion of our interviews, which now also includes closed captioning. You can find Emily's interview and all future video recordings on the Mountain Rose Herbs YouTube Channel.
Learn more about Emily below! โฌ
๐ธ Emily Poole is a natural history illustrator based in Eugene, Oregon. After receiving her BFA in Illustration from the Rhode Island School of Design in 2016, she returned west to put down roots in the mossy hills of Oregon, where she can be found exploring tidepools and cliffsides, gathering inspiration and making artwork about our fellow species and how to be better neighbors with them. A lifelong love for nature and animals as well as her upbringing in wild and remote spaces has guided Emily's work into the realm of conservation. Creating playful and accessible images that foster an emotional connection between the viewer and the subject matter, Emily seeks to engage viewers in learning about what's going on in the natural world and what they can do to protect it.
Emily has produced natural history illustration work for clients including High Country News, Poets & Writers Magazine, Mount Pisgah Arboretum, and Cascadia Wildlands. Her work has appeared in the National Museum of Wildlife Art and the Sitka Center Invitational, and she has published illustrations in six books including, BirdNote: Chirps, Quirks, and Stories of 100 Birds from the Popular Public Radio Show and Northwest Know-How: Trees. Emily has two books forthcoming with Mountaineers Books, the first will be released in late 2026.
๐จ Check out Emily's website and portfolio! Emily Poole Art & Design
๐ฑ Find Emily on Instagram @epooleart
๐ฆ Peruse Emily's collection of stickers, blankets, beanies, and more! Shop - Emily Poole Art & Design
Join our community! Subscribe to the Mountain Rose Herbs newsletter Subscribe to Mountain Rose Herbs on YouTube Follow on Instagram Like on Facebook Follow on Pinterest Read the Mountain Rose Herbs blog Follow on TikTok Strengthening the bonds between people and plants for a healthier world. Mountain Rose Herbs www.mountainroseherbs.com
Thomas J. Elpel is the director of Green University LLC in Montana. He is the author of nine books, including Botany in a Day and Foraging the Mountain West, plus the Shanleya's Quest I & II books and games that teach plant family patterns to children. He has also written books on wilderness survival, alternative construction, green economics, and consciousness.
Thomas and Jiling discuss the patterns method of plant identification, "deer botany," some of the plant families found in Botany in a Day, Thomas' canoeing adventures, writing process, and more!
Visit Thomas Elpel at:
๐ฟGreen Universityยฎ LLC
๐ฐ HOPS Press LLC
๐ชปWildflowers-and-Weeds.com
Join this year's Botany and Foraging Intensive from June 29 - July 12, 2025!
๐ฅ Some videos of Thomas' past adventures with his classes:
Botany and Foraging Intensive: Hands-on experience with Botany in a Day
Botany & Foraging Intensive Oregon Adventure with Botany in a Day and Green University LLC
Botany & Foraging Intensive - Idaho Adventure: Harvesting Wild Foods and Feral Fruits
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๐ชทJiling Lin is a Licensed Acupuncturist (L.Ac) and herbalist in Ventura, CA. A clinician and teacher, Jiling is also a passionate traveler, artist, and adventurer. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.comโ and get her free Nourishing Life (้ค็) template and Five Phases (ไบ่ก) outline. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.com and join her newsletter for seasonal beauty.
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Join our community! Subscribe to the Mountain Rose Herbs newsletter Subscribe to Mountain Rose Herbs on YouTube Follow on Instagram Like on Facebook Follow on Pinterest Read the Mountain Rose Herbs blog Follow on TikTok Strengthening the bonds between people and plants for a healthier world. Mountain Rose Herbs www.mountainroseherbs.com
This week on Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism, we are joined by the renowned Western herbalist, educator, and author, Matthew Wood. Tune in with the founder of Matthew Wood Institute of Herbalism (MWIH) and Thomas as they explore how language not only forms the way we speak but also the way we think, why we should acknowledge all plants and animals as fellow citizens of our environment, and they many ways herbs can influence the body, mind, and emotions.
As always, we thank you for joining us on another botanical adventure and are honored to have you tag along with us on this ride. Remember, we want to hear from you! Your questions, ideas, and who you want to hear from are invaluable to our podcast. Email us at [email protected] to let us know what solutions we should uncover next within the vast world of herbalism.
Learn more about Matthew below! โฌ๏ธ
๐ฒMatthew Wood has been a practicing herbalist for over forty years. He is an internationally known teacher and author with more than ten books to his credit, including The Book of Herbal Wisdom, The Earthwise Herbals, Holistic Medicine and the Extracellular Matrix, and A Shamanic Herbal. Matthew has an MSc in herbal medicine from the Scottish School of Herbal Medicine (accredited, U. of Wales). Located in Minnesota, Matthew is also the founder of the Matthew Wood Institute of Herbalism, which offers a specially curated collection of Matthew's own teachings, as well as those of herbal specialist co-teachers, to create a program for students to enjoy, cherish, and carry the herbal legacy into future generations with confidence and honor. Matthew currently resides in the Midwest.
Peruse the full collection of Matthew's book offerings!
๐ Matthew Wood's Books ๐
Looking for hands-on herbalism education? Check out the MWIH Class Calendar!
๐ฟ Matthew Wood Institute of Herbalism | In-Person Herbal Classes ๐ฟ
Want a FREE array of articles and resources? Read the MWIH Blog
๐ผ Matthew Wood Institute of Herbalism | Herbal Medicine Blog ๐ผ
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This week on Everything You Didn't Know About Herbalism, we are joined by the profoundly talented and prominent Native American gallerist, documentary filmmaker, writer, and passionate entrepreneur, Ruth-Ann Thorn. As a member of the Rincon Band of Luiseรฑo Mission Indians, Ruth-Ann joins us for a conversation surrounding why cultural representation and awareness for Native American peoples is crucial throughout every industry and communityโwhether that be art, filmmaking, wellness, herbalism, and everything in-between.
As always, we thank you for joining us on another botanical adventure and are honored to have you tag along with us on this ride. Remember, we want to hear from you! Your questions, ideas, and who you want to hear from are invaluable to our podcast. Email us at [email protected] to let us know what solutions we should uncover next within the vast world of herbalism.
"Just because we can't speak the language of water, does not mean that water does not have a language." โ Ruth-Ann Thorn
Learn more about Ruth-Ann below! โฌ
๐ผ Ruth-Ann Thorn, an enrolled tribal member of the Rincon Band of Luiseรฑo Mission Indians, is a prominent figure in the global art industry with a diverse range of expertise spanning over three decades. In 1995, she established Exclusive Collections Galleries to cater to private collectors, institutions, and corporations. Over the years, EC Galleries blossomed into multiple locations in San Diego, Beverly Hills, Laguna Beach, Ceasars Forum Shops in Las Vegas, NV, and Breckenridge, CO.
Furthering her commitment to supporting artists, in 2000 she founded Crown Thorn Publishing, a full-service company offering artists assistance in PR, sales and marketing, curation, and exhibition planning. Ruth-Ann Thorn also extends her influence as a key adviser and consultant to Indian Country. Her consultancy firm, EC Art Services, specializes in curating art for a range of spaces such as hotel expansions, government centers, health care facilities, and casinos, always with a keen awareness of cultural relevance.
Beyond her entrepreneurial endeavors, Ruth-Ann Thorn is a seasoned documentary filmmaker, director, producer, and host. Her notable works include Art of the City, a 12-episode series aired on FNX and PBS from 2018 to 2023, and THIS IS INDIAN COUNTRY, a groundbreaking travel show that sheds light on the narratives of modern-day Native Americans, set to be broadcasted in 2024 on FNX (First Nations Experience), PBS affiliates, and globally distributed by ASD (Animiki See Distribution).
From 2004 to 2012, she held the position of Editor-in-Chief at Off the Easel Magazine and additionally contributed as a writer for Art Business News. Ruth-Ann Thorn is also recognized as the co-founder of Imprint Registry, a technological platform that serves as a highly secure global art registry, providing artists, sellers, and buyers with a permanent title certificate and a detailed record of authenticity, provenance, and ownership.
In 2022, demonstrating her innovative spirit, she founded N8iV Beauty, a pioneering skincare brand formulated by a Native woman and infused with acorn oil sourced from tribal land. Ruth-Ann Thorn's multifaceted contributions to the art industry and her steadfast dedication to promoting cultural awareness exemplify her as a visionary leader.
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Rosemary Gladstar has been practicing, living, learning, teaching and writing about herbs for over 50 years. She is the author of twelve books including Medicinal Herbs; a Beginners Guide, Herbal Healing for Women, Herbal Recipes for Vibrant Well Being and her most recent book, The Generosity of Plants. She is also the author and director of the popular home study course, The Science and Art of Herbalism. Rosemary co-founded and was the former director of both The International Herb Symposium and The New England Women's Herbal Conference, is the Founding President of United Plant Savers, and was the co-founder and original formulator of Traditional Medicinal Tea Company. She recently moved from her home at Sage Mountainโ an Herbal Retreat Center and Botanical Sanctuary where she has lived, taught and worked for the past 30 yearsโ to a smaller haven where she plans to plant a small garden, dream more, do less, and spend more time with the plants.
Listen in as Rosemary and Jiling discuss some of the quotes and themes from The Generosity of Plants, including gathering, preserving, sharing, reverence for the Earth, honoring our elders, gardening, protecting, and on being an herbalist!
๐ทVisit Rosemary Gladstar at www.scienceandartofherbalism.com and www.sagemountain.com
๐ฟ Check out The Generosity of Plants here! https://scienceandartofherbalism.com/product/the-generosity-of-plants/
๐ชท Jiling Lin is a Licensed Acupuncturist (L.Ac) and herbalist in Ventura, CA. A clinician and teacher, Jiling is also a passionate traveler, artist, and adventurer. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.comโ and get her free Nourishing Life (้ค็) template and Five Phases (ไบ่ก) outline. Visit Jiling at JilingLin.com and join her newsletter for seasonal beauty.
Join our community! Subscribe to the Mountain Rose Herbs newsletter Subscribe to Mountain Rose Herbs on YouTube Follow on Instagram Like on Facebook Follow on Pinterest Read the Mountain Rose Herbs blog Follow on TikTok Strengthening the bonds between people and plants for a healthier world. Mountain Rose Herbs www.mountainroseherbs.com
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