This full analysis of the Moab Utah Police body Cam footage was recorded on September 16th, 2021, while Gabby Petito was still missing. It has never been published on this podcast, until now.

Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence and he shares here what he recognized the very day the footage came down– while the world still hoped to bring Gabby home.

If Gabby Petito taught us anything, it is that signs of domestic violence and abusive relationships are often hidden in plain sight. 

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

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Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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This interview took place on September 17th, 2021, while Gabby Petito was still missing.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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New revelations in the Shanna Gardner case have come out. Join Lauren as she recaps the updates, followed by Dr. John giving his thoughts on what Shanna's behavior may be showing.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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Previos Shanna Episodes:

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https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/1ceb0f52-e5d7-41b7-83d2-1c200a983935/stream.mp3

https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/3ea00d08-3001-47da-ad82-a6c31a0f481d/stream.mp3

Sources:

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/shanna-gardner-accused-having-tattoo-gun-cheeking-medication-during-time-duval-county-jail/PVY2CL7Y4VG3ND2ROSQG6B3ZOQ/

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/jared-bridegan-murder-shanna-gardner-jail-violations-drugs-theft/77-d839ed7b-5576-42cb-a937-5ad0cfcc96e3

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2025/02/13/shanna-gardner-accused-in-murder-for-hire-case-stole-from-inmate-had-makeshift-tattoo-device-in-jail-report-says/

https://www.jacksonville.com/picture-gallery/news/crime/2024/02/16/shanna-gardner-and-mario-fernandez-saldana-back-in-court-jared-bridegan-murder/72629660007/

https://sjcitizen.com/woman-charged-killing-st-johns-county-ex-husband-finds-new-lover-cited-theft-prison/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcsb0w4rQc&t=1s

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The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is just wrapping. Join Dr. John and Lauren as they discuss the psychology of Megan's crimes.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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Sources:

WJHL News

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The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is just wrapping. Join Lauren as she recaps day 7, and the closing arguments of the trial. Stay tuned for more as verdict watch has now begun

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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Sources:

WJHL News

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The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is underway. Join Lauren as she recaps day 6 of the trial. Stay tuned for more recaps as the trial continues.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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Sources:

Law and Crime

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The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is underway. Join Lauren as she breaks down all of the latest info from days 4 and 5 of the trial! Stay tuned for more recaps as the trial continues.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is underway. Join Lauren as she breaks down the case, followed by a recap of week 1 of the trial! Stay tuned for more recaps as the trial continues.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Sources: 

Court TV 

Law and Crime

News Nation 

11 News

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Join Lauren as she breaks down all of the latest headlines in true crime. Subscribe for weekly episodes and upcoming seasons.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a Princeton educated forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an award-winning investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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