00:40 - Welcome Hilde Lynn Helphenstein

07:20 - Conservatism in the art world 

10:02 - Early exposure to different cultures 

11:54 - Conceptual Art, new genres and developing a practice 

14:01 - The art world as a performance 

16:54 - From Hooters to Art Basel 

18:09 - The birth of Jerry Gogosian 

22:24 - Problems built into the business model 

24:43 - AI and the potential valuelessness of art 

30:03 - How social media has changed the art world 

34:15 - The myth of inclusivity 

39:20 - The pandemic, cultural shifts and NFTs 

44:36 - The power of physicality in art 

48:45 -  We are all memes 

50:40 - The power of the network and connection 

56:00 - Normalised extremes and impostor syndrome 

01:02:10 - The cost of opening up to an audience 

01:14:50 - Moving forward and thinking about the future 

01:25:10 - Gozo and the importance of texture in digital art 

01:30:37 - A missing historical context in NFTs 

01:38:30 - What art will look like in the future 

01:43:05 - Technophobia and protectionism in the traditional art world 

01:49:20 - Cancel culture, polarisation and satire 

01:55:52 - A future NFT true believer 

Jerry Gogosian Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jerrygogosian 

Jerry Gogosian X: https://x.com/jerrygogosian

Gozo - an improbable thread: https://verse.works/series/an-improbable-thread-by-gozo 

Gozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze