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What if humanity didn’t begin with a fall, but with a blessing? What if your original identity wasn’t sinful, but good?

In today’s Holy Heretics podcast episode, I’m joined by the renown Dr.Matthew Fox, one of the most provocative and influential theologians of the last half‑century. A former Dominican priest and the author of Original Blessing, Fox is best known as the founder of Creation Spirituality, a spiritual and theological framework that challenges Western Christianity’s deep fixation on sin, guilt, and separation. Instead of starting the human story with the Fall, Fox roots the world in wonder, creativity, goodness, justice, and our sacred connection to the cosmos.

Fox first gained international attention in the 1980s through Original Blessing, a book that directly confronts the doctrine of original sin, arguing that it distorted both Christianity and Western culture. Fox’s work brought him international acclaim—and serious institutional resistance. In the 1980s, his theology came under formal investigation by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, and later Pope Benedict XVI. Fox was eventually censured and silenced by the Catholic Church, barred from teaching for a year, and later expelled from the Dominican Order after refusing to abandon his core theological convictions. One could argue that Fox’s willingness to challenge orthodoxy should make him the patron saint of the deconstruction community.

Drawing from medieval Christian mystics like Meister Eckhart and Hildegard of Bingen, as well as Judaism, Buddhism, Indigenous wisdom traditions, and modern science, Fox proposes a radically different starting point for spirituality, and the whole of creation: that the universe is fundamentally good, and that human beings are born in blessing, not in brokenness.

In this conversation, we explore the core ideas of Creation Spirituality, including:

Original Blessing vs. Original Sin — how a theology of blessing reshapes our understanding of God, humanity, and the natural world

The Four Paths of Creation Spirituality — awe, compassion, creativity, and justice as spiritual practice

The recovery of the Divine Feminine — and why the suppression of feminine images of God has had catastrophic consequences for both religion and society

From there, the conversation turns to the present moment.

Drawing on Creation Spirituality and the Christian mystical tradition, Fox brings his theological scalpel to contemporary culture and politics, offering a sharp critique of the MAGA movement as Antichrist. His most recent book, Trump & the MAGA Movement as Anti‑Christ: A Handbook for the 2024 Election, engages the biblical and mystical archetype of the Antichrist—not as a literal end‑times figure, but as a spiritual symbol for whatever stands in opposition to the teachings and spirit of Jesus. Fox argues that authoritarianism, the rejection of truth, contempt for compassion, and the sacralization of power reveal Antichrist dynamics at work in our contemporary moment.

This episode is bold, intelligent, and paradigm changing. At its heart is a question that feels especially urgent right now: What kind of spirituality do we need to survive—and transform—the crises of our time?

If you’re ready to rethink sin, reclaim sacred connectivity, and hear theology speak unapologetically into our current cultural moment, this conversation is for you.

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You may have first encountered the Right Reverend Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde in January 2025, when she stood in the pulpit at the Inaugural Prayer Service and spoke directly to President Trump with a clarity that astonished the nation. But that moment was not an anomaly. It was the public expression of a life shaped by decades of priestly courage, intellectual honesty, and a fierce commitment to the vulnerable. Long before a national audience knew her name, Bishop Budde had been standing in the places where power wounds people—naming what is true, binding up what is broken, and refusing to look away.

In this conversation, we explore the deeper story beneath that moment—the spiritual formation, the Episcopal imagination, and the radical mercy that guides her ministry. Bishop Budde reflects on what it means to practice justice not as a slogan but as a way of life. She talks about the inner work required to offer public truth-telling without becoming hardened, and the practices that keep her grounded in humility, courage, and hope.

We also trace the distinctive gifts of the Episcopal tradition that shaped her: a progressive and intellectually rigorous faith, a sacramental vision of human dignity, and a commitment to mercy. In contrast to the imperial Christianity on offer from the evangelical church, Bishop Budde embodies a different way—one that draws from the life and teachings of the historical Jesus, who was also a victim of imperial violence.

This episode invites you into a faith that is spacious, courageous, and deeply human. A Christianity that remembers its calling not to bless the powerful, but to stand with the powerless. A faith tradition that asks you to resist the powers that be through non-participation with evil and the guiding question, “What is yours to do?”

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There are places in the world where history doesn’t sit behind glass—it works directly with the present to shape the future. Broughton Hall is one of those places. Set across 3,000 acres in the rolling countryside of Yorkshire, England, the estate has been home to the Tempest family for more than 900 years. Its 97‑room manor house, a vast 16th‑century structure of stone and story, has held kings and queens, births and burials, and the quiet continuity of a lineage shaped by the land itself.

But Broughton is not a relic. Under the custodianship of today’s guest, Roger Tempest, the 32nd generation of his family to steward this land, the estate has become a living organism—one that is remembering its wildness and rediscovering its soul.

For decades, Roger has led one of the most ambitious rewilding efforts in the UK, allowing woodlands to regenerate, rivers to return to their natural courses, and wildlife to reclaim habitats long disrupted by industrial agriculture. The land is healing, and in its healing, it is teaching. At the heart of this renewal is The Sanctuary, a center for spiritual practice, creativity, and inner transformation. It’s a place where seekers, artists, contemplatives, and activists gather to reconnect with deeper rhythms of life. Here, outer rewilding and inner rewilding meet—where the land heals people, and people learn how to heal the land.

Our conversation moves through the spiritual undercurrents of this work—the listening, the surrender, the sense that the land itself is dreaming a future into being. Roger speaks from a lineage that stretches back nearly a millennium, yet everything he’s doing feels oriented toward what humanity might become next.

In this episode, Gary Alan and Roger discuss:

How custodianship differs from ownership—and why that shift changes everything

The spirituality that guides Roger’s vision

The outer and the inner life

Wildness as teacher and friend

Where the ancient and emergent meet in surprising ways

Broughton as a living laboratory for human transformation

What it means to cultivate a community that is both ancient and radically alive

Roger’s life offers a counter-narrative to the extractive, hurried patterns of modernity. His work at Broughton invites us to imagine a different way of inhabiting the world—one rooted in humility, reciprocity, and reverence for the more‑than‑human community.

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We begin Season Six of Holy Heretics in a world coming undone. Evil is on our doorstep. Our democratic norms are no more. A sociopathic madman and his predatorily ghouls are raping and robbing their way through our common life. An entire system of life is cracking beneath our feet.We are standing at the threshold of an old world that is dying and a new world yet to be born. The only real way through is inner: to awaken, to unfold, to cultivate a new humanity from the inside out.

To open this season, I sit down with 88-year-old mystic John Butler—British author, retired farmer, and lifelong seeker whose gentle presence has become a sanctuary for millions. Formed by silence, shaped by prayer, and seasoned by decades of wandering across continents and inner landscapes, Mr. Butler speaks from a depth rare in our dopamine-driven age. Many have come to know him by a name he never claimed but quietly embodies: “Mr. Nothing.” It’s a title that gestures toward the ego‑less simplicity he embodies—a way of being that asks nothing, claims nothing, and yet reveals everything essential. He reminds us that the ground of our being is never unstable, we’ve simply forgotten how to tap into it.

Besides farming and meditation, Mr. Butler has lived an extraordinarily interesting life, including much spiritual insight, emotional ups and downs, long periods in Peru, Africa and the USA besides several years in Russia, all of which have been part of the far from easy journey to where he is now.

This season is, at its core, a season of spiritual health—of learning how to live from a deeper center when the world around us is fraying. Along the way, we’ll be joined by voices who have spent their lives tending the sacred: Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, whose moral clarity has guided many through storms; Stanley Hauerwas, whose fierce honesty cuts through our illusions; Mark Vernon, who maps the inner terrain of consciousness with philosophical grace; Martin Shaw, who calls us back into mythic imagination; KJ Ramsey, who helps us inhabit our bodies with courage and tenderness; and Matthew Fox, who has spent decades reminding us that we were not born in sin, but in original goodness.

Season Six is an invitation—to slow down, to listen, to return to the place within you that no propaganda can distort and no authoritarian can reach.

We’re back! And we’re beginning with a conversation that asks you to breathe, to soften, to sit in silence, and to remember that your personal transformation begins in the one place the world cannot colonize—your inner life.

Connect with Mr. Butler on his website, https://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk, for articles, interviews, and additional resources on the contemplative life.

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Growing up evangelical required a preoccupation with external behaviors and moral performance, or what I now understand as sin management. My spiritual life was fear based. Behaviors like sexuality, masturbation, swearing, or drinking were litmus tests of spiritual maturity. The more you controlled, hid, or projected your external behaviors onto others, the closer you were to God. Behavior modification, external conformity, and the avoidance of sin was my ticket out of Hell. In evangelicalism, I was a problem to be fixed, not a person to be loved. What an anemic and harmful understanding of spirituality.

Leaving white evangelicalism meant finding deeper streams of spiritual wisdom. Instead of this hyper-fixation on what I was doing, inner Christianity helped me recognize God’s eternal presence at the core of my being, no matter what I was doing. God isn’t some external deity I need to placate, God is the lover of my soul. As I spiritually mature, I’m coming to realize the importance of cultivating my inner life instead of worrying about external behaviors. Or as Rainer Maria Rilke wrote, “The only journey is the one within."

External Christianity is about salvation in the afterlife. Inner Christianity is about personal transformation in this life. Contemplative or inner spirituality doesn’t ignore sin—it just approaches it differently. Instead of managing sin, it invites us to be still, to listen, and to let God transform us at the root. “Christ did not preach a mere ethical or social gospel but an uncompromisingly spiritual one. He declared that God can be seen, that Divine perfection can be achieved,” writes Swami Prabhavananda in his seminal work The Sermon on the Mount According to Vedanta.

Where does this leave us? How do we cultivate our interior life instead of focusing so much on externals? How do we focus on roots instead of fruits? I rarely quote Augustine, but he’s on point about this. "Do not look outside; return to yourself. In our interior the truth resides.” I’ll give that an amen.

In this final episode in season five, I’m honored to be joined by psychotherapist, philosopher, and mystic Dr. Mark Vernon. Mark is a writer, psychotherapist and former Anglican priest. He contributes to programs on BBC radio, writes and reviews for newspapers and magazines, gives talks and frequently podcasts. His books cover themes including friendship and God, William Blake and Dante, ancient Greek philosophy and wellbeing. He has a PhD in ancient Greek philosophy, and other degrees in physics and in theology. Dr. Vernon’s writings and teachings are deeply rooted in the inner life, exploring how we can cultivate spiritual depth and meaning in the modern world. You can connect with Dr. Vernon here!

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Today is June 14, 2025, a day that will live in infamy.

A sitting United States president is hosting a military-style parade in Washington D.C. that every crack-pot dictator from Adolf Hitler to Vladimir Putin would admire. Making matters worse, since re-gaining power in January, Trump’s regime has dismantled democracy, extended the power of the presidency, suspended habeas corpus, and unlawfully detained and deported thousands of immigrants. Trump’s manufactured chaos is designed to evoke a violent response. “Following the example of other authoritarians, Donald Trump wants us to burn cars. He wants us to throw rocks. He wants images of chaos — especially violence against police or National Guard troops — to flood the evening news,” writes In These Times. He wants blood in the streets. We can’t give it to him or he wins.

In response to Trump’s daily attack on democracy and his disgusting display of military might, a coalition of over 200 progressive organizations—including the ACLU, Indivisible, and the American Federation of Teachers—has organized a nationwide protest movement called “No Kings.” Millions of Americans are expected to turn out today at over 1,800 locations across the country, deliberately avoiding Washington, D.C., to emphasize grassroots, nonviolent resistance.

Speaking truth to power and resisting the principalities and rulers of this world is the faithful response to empire. As God’s people, resistance is in our DNA. According to pastor Robin Meyers in his book Spiritual Defiance, “Our Gospel was birthed in resistance to the brutal normalcy of the Roman Empire.” The more things change, the more they stay the same. Like the founder of our faith, we find ourselves living under the boot of an evil empire. How do we respond? What forms of resistance are available to us? Is violence ever justified?

Contrary to what many assume, nonviolent resistance isn’t meekness in the face of evil. It is the courageous and oftentimes creative task of disarmament. Nonviolent resistance is a way to fight against injustice without using violence. It is using the transformative force of love to resist oppression. The first Christians understood nonviolence to be the sin qua non of discipleship. So much so that there wasn’t even a word for pacifism during the first four centuries of Christianity. To call yourself Christian meant you were universally nonviolent. Following Jesus then and following Jesus now means we will find ourselves in opposition to empire.

In the following weeks and months, the need to confront Trump’s evil regime will continue. But how we resist is just as important as the resistance itself. As tempting as it will be, returning evil for evil will only result in greater oppression.

To help us better understand the transformative power of nonviolence, I’m joined on the show today by Dr. Jesse Nickel. Jesse gives a clear and convincing argument that the gospels present Jesus as a nonviolent revolutionary. What can we learn from the way Jesus resisted and confronting the empire of his day? Unlike his prophetic movement, will we return evil for evil? Will we fall into the imperial trap of fight or flight? Or, will we learn how to tap into the ancient model of nonviolent resistance to topple Trump’s regime?

As you go out today with courage to confront Trumpism, take this episode along with you. Listen to the plea for nonviolent resistance. Understand the power of taking on suffering rather than inflicting suffering. And rest in the peace and power that God has been dismantling empires for over 6,000 years.

Amen.

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Regina Cates joins me on the show to discuss her latest book The Real Conversations Jesus Wants Us to Have: A Call to Bravery, Peace, and Love. This episode is part memoir, part social commentary, and part call to action for those of us who grew up in religious fundamentalism and have found our way out to a bigger, broader, and more inclusive world.

I realize that a lot of our episodes lean toward the scholarly and the erudite, but this is not one of those. This conversation is personal, real, and raw. In fact, this is our 90th episode on Holy Heretics, and it may just be our most candid, open, and vulnerable conversation to date. You’ll learn about Regina’s early years as a young LGBTQIA girl, the abuse she suffered, and the way she protected her heart and soul in the midst of oppression. You’ll also learn what it looks like to set boundaries, fight oppression, and find yourself after leaving evangelicalism. This episode is a clarion call to wake up, to care for your body and soul as you recover from evangelical Christianity and all it’s oppressive forces.

Regina is an author, activist, podcaster, and founder of Romancing Your Soul, an organization that helps people develop lives of love, compassion, and purpose. Her first internationally bestselling book Lead with Your Heart: Creating a Life of Love, Compassion, and Purpose continues to be an inspiration to people who desire a more fulfilled life. Regina is followed by hundreds of thousands on social media who embrace her messages of kindness, compassion, and empathy for one another as equal members of our human family.

I think you will enjoy this conversation as Regina and I share our personal stories of leaving religious fundamentalism and finding faith, community, hope, and wholeness post-evangelicalism.

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You need to sit down for this episode.

Mercer University’s Dr. Angela Parker joins me today on the podcast for a heart-wrenching conversation about white supremacy, intersectionality, womanist theology, authoritarian Christianity, decolonization, Kamala Harris, and her sought-after book, If God Still Breathes, Why Can’t I? According to Eerdmans Publishing House, “Angela Parker wasn’t just trained to be a biblical scholar; she was trained to be a White male biblical scholar. She is neither White nor male.” Thank God.

Womanist theology is a methodological approach to theology that centers the experiences and perspectives of Black women, particularly African-American women. Emerging in the mid to late 1980s, it serves as a corrective to early feminist theology—which often overlooked racial issues—and Black theology, which predominantly reflected male viewpoints. In plain language, Womanist theology interprets the Bible, Christianity, and life here in the American empire through the eyes and lived experiences of Black women.

As a Black scholar who traces her family history out of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, and into the halls of higher education, Dr. Parker talks candidly about what it means to be an educated Black woman in both predominantly white higher education and Trump’s MAGA America.

I know I say this a lot, but this is one of the most important conversations we’ve had to date on Holy Heretics.

If the United States is to survive the MAGA cult, it will be through the embodied actions, wisdom, spirituality, and lived experience of Black women and men who understand what it takes to resist, regroup, and offer the world a beautiful invitation into God’s beloved, alternative community. In the context of Trump's America, characterized by racist policies and rhetoric, Womanist theology is particularly poignant. By offering a framework that not only addresses the intersections of race, gender, and class, “womanism” also actively resists the oppressive structures of White America.

BIO:

Rev. Dr. Angela N. Parker is associate professor of New Testament and Greek at McAfee School of Theology at Mercer University. She received her B.A. in religion and philosophy from Shaw University (2008), her M.T.S. from Duke Divinity School (2008-2010) and her Ph.D. in Bible, culture, and hermeneutics from Chicago Theological Seminary (2015). Before this position, Dr. Parker was assistant professor of Biblical Studies at The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology. She teaches courses in New Testament, Greek Exegesis, the Gospel of Mark, the Corinthians Correspondence, the Gospel of John, and Womanist and Feminist Hermeneutics unto preaching.

In her research, Dr. Parker merges Womanist thought and postcolonial theory while reading biblical texts. Dr. Parker’s most popular book is titled, If God Still Breathes, Why Can’t I: Black Lives Matter and Biblical Authority. In this book, Dr. Parker draws from her experience as a Womanist New Testament scholar in order to deconstruct one of White Christianity’s most pernicious lies: the conflation of biblical authority with the doctrines of inerrancy and infallibility. As Dr. Parker shows, these doctrines are less about the text of the Bible itself and more about the arbiters of its interpretation—historically, White males in positions of power who have used Scripture to justify control over marginalized groups. This oppressive use of the Bible has been suffocating. To learn to breathe again, Dr. Parker says, we must “let God breathe in us.”

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John Dominic Crossan is the world’s most prominent Jesus scholar. He joins me today on Holy Heretics to discuss what we can, and what we cannot, know about the life of this first century Jewish peasant. Unlike traditional theological portrayals of Jesus, which center primarily on his death and resurrection, Crossan’s scholarship focuses on the historicity of Jesus. Who was he? What evidence do we have to support his existence? Instead of asking why Jesus died, Crossan has spent decades unearthing the reasons Jesus lived.

For Crossan, Jesus was a radical social revolutionary who confronted Roman oppression and attempted to live into an alternative version of reality. His portrayal challenges conventional Christian perspectives that see Jesus primarily as a divine figure who came to die for our sins.

In books like The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant (1991), Crossan presents Jesus as a figure who opposed both Roman imperial rule and the hierarchical structures of Jewish society. He describes Jesus' movement as one of radical inclusivity and nonviolent resistance. Crossan’s work has been controversial, particularly among conservative Christians, because he downplays the supernatural aspects of Jesus’ life, including the literal resurrection. Instead, he sees the resurrection as a symbolic event representing the triumph of Jesus' teachings.

I’m delighted to share our conversation with you! If you are interested in learning more about the historical Jesus, this episode is a fantastic introduction. By challenging conventional wisdom and introducing his rigorous historical methods, Dom Crossan invites listeners to meet Jesus again for the first time.

BIO:

John Dominic Crossan is an Irish-born American theologian and former Roman Catholic priest best known for his association with the Jesus Seminar. Upon graduating from high school in Letterkenny, Ireland, in 1950, Crossan moved to Chicago, where he joined the Servites, a Roman Catholic monastic order. Ordained a priest in 1957, he returned to Ireland to study at St. Patrick’s College, Maynooth, and received a doctorate in theology in 1959. He then studied at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome for two years before returning to his Servite community to teach.

In 1965 he began study at the École Biblique et Archaéologie Française de Jérusalem (French Institute of Bible and Archaeology, Jerusalem). Two years later he returned to Chicago to join the faculty of the Chicago Catholic Theological Union. In 1969 he resigned from the Servite priesthood, citing a longing for academic freedom and his intention to marry. He soon joined the faculty of religious studies at Chicago’s DePaul University, where he taught until his retirement in 1995.

Crossan continues to write and lecture today. His most insightful books include The Last Week: What the Gospels Really Teach About Jesus’ Final Days in Jerusalem, The First Paul, God and Empire, andJesus: A Revolutionary Biography.

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I wrote an article almost two weeks ago titled, Trump’s Willing Executioners. Drawing on my graduate work in Holocaust Studies, I compared and contrasted the MAGA movement and Nazi Germany, and in particular, the glaring lack of empathy championed by both cults. The article went viral, encouraging me to consider a more robust analysis of how cruelty, the lack of empathy, and propaganda drives ordinary men and women to commit extraordinary crimes against humanity. We saw it in Nazi Germany in the 1930s and we are witnessing it in real time in the United States.

When comparing political movements like MAGA America and Nazi Germany, it's important to approach the discussion with sensitivity and academic rigor. The comparison between the two must be grounded in the analysis of both movements' ideologies, symbols, rhetoric, and policies. Without overstating things, both movements utilized nationalism to rally support, often with a focus on restoring a golden age of past glory. Both cults also exploited social unrest, attacked the intelligentsia, created an “us vs them” mentality, and enlisted the church to absolve their crimes. More sinister, both groups embraced xenophobic rhetoric and abject racism, identifying certain groups as threats to the nation’s purity and survival. While both groups rose to power legally, the Nazi Party and the MAGA cult quickly eroded the principles of democracy in route to a fascist regime.

There’s a lot of talk these days comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. I understand the analogy, but what I find even more significant is the correlation between Nazi Christians and MAGA Christians. As I said in the article, “The same cast of characters and religious propaganda that created the Holocaust are alive and well in the United States.” MAGA Christians are cruel because the MAGA cult is cruel; and MAGA Christians are cruel because cruel people tend to become MAGA members. For Trump evangelicals, empathy is a sin because cruelty is the point.

In todays podcast episode, I discuss:

The intersectionality between fascism and the lack of empathy.

How does the MAGA cult benefit from the idea that empathy and compassion are sinful?

Why do ordinary men and women often commit the most heinous offenses when they believe other people aren’t actual people?

Why are prominent evangelical Christians promoting cruelty and indifference?

Why are white, conservative Christians almost always on the wrong side of history and morality?

How did the historical Jesus center compassion as the foundational ethic of his life and ministry?

Why is compassion, and not holiness, the core attribute of God?

When cult behavior, hatred of the other, and a lack of empathy come together, you create a culture of death. And it’s happening in real time here in the United States. As Pastor Robin Meyers recently warned:

“America is going fascist, and it's doing so with the help of religious zealots whose real passion is for the politics of privilege, not the radically disturbing presence of Jesus. This will sound alarmist to some, but the truth is that no country ever thinks it is going fascist until it wakes up one day to that indisputable reality. Then the people will say, ‘How did this happen?’ And the answer is ‘one day at a time, and with the blessing of the church.’”

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This episode was produced by The Sophia Society and written by Gary Alan Taylor.  Music is by Faith in Foxholes.