In this quick-hit discussion, the two dive into:

-Why most leaders are too busy “working in” their business to actually work on it.

-How great coaches and therapists ask the questions you don’t want - but need—to hear.

-The value of data as exposure - how numbers, like game film, don’t lie.

-Why discomfort isn’t something to avoid… it’s where growth actually happens.

If you’ve ever felt stuck, scattered, or overwhelmed, this behind-the-scenes moment will hit home.