In this thought-provoking episode of the Upword Podcast, host Dan Johnson sits down with Mark Matlock to explore the shifting spiritual landscape in America. Drawing from his latest book, Faith for the Curious, and years of research with Barna Group, Mark unpacks the rise of the “spiritually curious” — a growing group of people who are open to spirituality but not necessarily aligned with traditional Christian beliefs.

Together, they discuss:

• The difference between the spiritually curious, curious skeptics, and naturalists
• How Gen Z is both in revival and retreat — and what that means for the Church
• Why traditional evangelism methods may fall short in today’s culture
• The importance of long-term relationships over quick conversions
• How churches can better engage those deconstructing their faith
• The role of curiosity, ambiguity, and meaningful relationships in discipleship

Whether you're a ministry leader, student, or simply curious about faith trends, this episode offers deep insights into how we can better understand and walk alongside those exploring spirituality in a post-Christian world.

🔗 Resources & Links:

• Learn more about Faith for the Curious = https://shop.barna.com/collections/featured-work/products/faith-for-the-curious
• Explore Barna’s research on Gen Z and spiritual openness
• Connect with Mark Matlock at markmatlock.com

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This episode was created by the SLBF STUDIO at Upper House.

Produced by Daniel Johnson and Dave Conour

Edited by Dave Conour