Ben Cipperley is the Chief Strategy Officer of HavocAI and a former Navy EOD officer who spent more than two decades in the Navy, including work on robotics, autonomy, and the Navy’s strategic modernization efforts.

(00:00) Intro

(01:21) Ben’s Navy background

(05:05) Robotic naval systems

(12:15) Replicator initiative

(13:25) Containerized warfare

(16:46) Starlink and communications

(25:21) Ukraine vs Russian Navy

(27:55) China and Pacific deterrence

(40:47) Autonomous weapons policy

(46:34) Building a robotic Navy

(56:10) Autonomous minesweeping

(01:00:15) Counter-UAS at sea

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In this episode, we break down how autonomous systems are changing maritime warfare, why drones are forcing militaries underground, and how the U.S. Navy is trying to adapt to a world shaped by cheap autonomous systems and mass production.

We also discuss Taiwan, the Strait of Hormuz, sea denial, logistics, shipping vulnerabilities, modular payloads, Replicator, mines, and why low-cost autonomous systems are beginning to flip the traditional cost equation of warfare.

This is a wide-ranging conversation about the future of naval warfare, defense procurement, autonomy, and the changing character of war.