This is the second of five special episodes in a takeover of the Brookings Cafeteria podcast by the at Brookings, a multi-year endeavor drawing on expertise across the organization. In this series, , a David M. Rubenstein Fellow in Foreign Policy, speaks with experts about a rang of issues related to Global China. In this episode, Ford talks with about his paper on how a global China, itself long subject to economic sanctions, might use sanctions of its own. Nephew is a nonresident senior fellow in Foreign Policy, affiliated with the Arms Control and Non-Proliferation Initiative. He is also a senior research scholar and program director at the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. Subscribe to Brookings podcasts  or , send feedback email to , and follow us and tweet us at  on Twitter. The Brookings Cafeteria is part of the .