Kaz Neyatian is the Chief Operating Officer of Shopify.

Kaz and I spoke about about:

1. Why traditional career ladders are broken

2. Why strategy is the least important part of building products

3. Why Shopify canceled all recurring meetings.

I think this interview will feel like therapy if you’ve worked at big tech companies.

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Chapter timestamps:

[00:00] Nobody ever dreamed of sitting in meetings

[01:15] The difference between crafters and managers

[02:31] Traditional career ladders just don't work

[04:36] Our job is to rage against being a big company

[05:43] Strategy is the least meaningful aspect of product

[07:15] People misunderstand how great products are built

[09:57] We're not an OKR company

[11:23] Why there are so few good product managers

[12:25] Operation Chaos Monkey to remove meetings

[15:26] Why managers need to value their personal craft time

[16:06] Why there are always no meeting rooms available

[18:22] How to reduce meetings on your calendar

[21:02] Just because someone else does it is a bad reason

[23:33] The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing

Where to find Kaz:

X: https://twitter.com/CanadaKaz

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasranejatian/

Get the interview takeaways:

https://creatoreconomy.so/p/kaz-coo-shopify-craft-and-no-meetings

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