How do you learn to tell the perfect joke? A pastor from Oklahoma wants to spice up his sermons from the pulpit. So we introduce him to Gary Gulman, a New York standup comedian who makes jokes about his clinical depression in the new HBO comedy special The Great Depresh. The lesson? "Man plans, and God laughs." But only if you nail the delivery.

(This episode first aired on July 30, 2019)

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