Nick Heard is a teacher and coach that has committed to being the best he can be for his students and his athletes. He set up www.relentless-optimism.com in an attempt to convey a message to those in tasked with supporting young people to explore their potential are also striving to be the best they can be.

Nick took time out of his holiday (you can hear the coffee machine in the background) to have this conversation with me where we explore how young people interact with their environment and deal with challenges, setbacks and those well meaning but misguided adults (us!) that are causing more problems than they are solving.

I very much enjoyed this discussion, I hope you do too!!

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