Trisha's friend said to her, "None of this gets better unless white people start talking to white people."    This is that conversation.    Jim and Trisha talk about how they were influenced to think about race, about how they have changed their perspective through the helpful feedback of others, and about how they are learning to live anti-racist lives in the present.    Resources: 

• The podcast with Jen Hatmaker and Lisa Sharon Harper
• I'm Still Here by Austin Channing Brown.
• Here is a video that describes the history of racial inequality that persists into the present day