While we take a season break, we’re bringing back this unforgettable conversation with Devorie Kreiman, a mother, educator, and woman of deep faith who has lived through unimaginable loss.

In this episode, Devorie shares the raw journey of losing multiple childre, and the lifelong work of finding G-d in the depths of grief. With honesty, courage, and spiritual clarity, she teaches us how to move from “life is impossible” to “I am possible,” holding pain and faith in the same breath.

Find out more about Devorie Kreiman and purchase her book, "Even If I'm Not" at www.devoriekreiman.com

This episode originally aired June 2022. Season 6 returns on Sunday, Sep. 7.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Introduction: Season break

00:53 – Meet Devorie Kreiman and her story of loss and faith

02:15 – Losing her first child: the diagnosis and heartbreak

03:30 – A pattern of illness: discovering a genetic condition

04:40 – The sudden, tragic death of her son Yossi

06:15 – Teaching HaYom Yom the day Yossi died

07:30 – The mitzvah of lighting Shabbos candles through grief

08:55 – Beginning the spiritual journey of doing what feels impossible

10:00 – The early years: grieving four sick children

11:40 – The pain of stopping to have more children

13:15 – What her sick children taught her about unconditional love

14:30 – Navigating deep jealousy, pain, and spiritual honesty

16:00 – How her son's passing reshaped her identity and reality

17:50 – The quiet, paralyzing grief after Yossi’s death

18:40 – “Even If I’m Not” – the story behind the title of her book

20:30 – Frozen with pain: knowing truth but struggling to live it

21:30 – The role of EMDR, EFT, and therapy in healing

22:30 – A powerful memory from Simchas Torah: “I’m possible”

25:00 – The final day of shiva and a miraculous moment of hope

26:45 – Tapping into the soul’s strength: “We are possible”

28:00 – The deeper awareness of a soul’s journey and Hashem’s plan

29:00 – Spiritual growth vs. prolonged grief – finding the balance

30:00 – Becoming a grandmother to Yossi’s namesake

31:40 – Navigating bittersweet joy through birth and loss

33:00 – Real-time self-talk: making space for grief and joy

34:30 – Reclaiming rituals like Shabbos candles with new meaning

36:15 – The lifelong challenge of answering “How many children do you have?”

37:20 – Deepened joy and gratitude that grows through loss

38:30 – Appreciation, laughter, and high-quality living after grief

39:40 – Final advice: how to bring Chassidus into daily struggle

41:00 – “We need light in the tunnel, not just at the end”

42:00 – Closing thoughts: a life of small lights, faith, and awareness

43:10 – Outro: Human & Holy Season 6 returns September 7