She served as finance minister under two Nigerian presidents, rose through the ranks of the World Bank to become managing director, and now chairs the board of the global vaccine alliance GAVI. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala tells us her concerns about the continuing spread of COVID-19 across Africa and the devastating impact an economic contraction would have on years of development. Also in this episode, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet talks about the links between COVID-19 and race and inequality - and also on how police and governments must deploy an intelligent, sensitive response to unrest.