In this five-part series, hear about the mental health service system through the respective - and at times contrasting – lenses of clinician and lived experience experts; psychiatrist and Deputy Chief Medical Officer for Mental Health, Dr Ruth Vine; and Victoria’s inaugural Executive Director of Lived Experience, Mary O’Hagan.

In the previous three episodes Ruth took the conversational lead. In episodes four and five, Mary takes the lead as they explore Ruth’s views and experiences of psychiatry as a profession. The challenges they both experience in finding a balance between the biological, psychological and social approaches to treatment – and how the balance has progressed and changed over the years – is the consistent thread throughout their conversation.

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