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Today's guest is Carlos Araque, co-founder and CEO of Quaise Energy. Quaise is seeking to unlock the power of geothermal energy by drilling into deeper and hotter parts of the earth than ever, using microwave-based technology rather than traditional mechanical drill bits.

Carlos has a fascinating background; he grew up in Medellin, Colombia, during the turbulent 1980s and 1990s, matriculated to MIT, and then found himself working in oil and gas for a while before transitioning to geothermal and Quaise. In this episode, Carlos walks us through how geothermal energy is harnessed today and what has held it back from a scale perspective. He also offers a unique futurist point of view that there are only three forms of energy that have the potential to offer abundant clean energy to humanity at scale on a multi-decade or century-scale timeframe: fission, fusion, and deep geothermal. From his perspective, the energy density profiles of wind and solar relative to their land use requirements will eventually cause them to hit limitations.

If you’re curious about geothermal but need a primer on how it works, this one eases into the topic by going into the state of geothermal today, then spending some time on Quaise's tech solution and business model. We conclude by getting Carlos' take on the future of energy. Enjoy the show! 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [2:50] Carlos' background and serendipitous path to starting Quaise
• [9:22] How Carlos became interested in geothermal and his thoughts on the three solutions for deploying clean energy at scale
• [14:25] An overview of geothermal
• [18:04] Different use cases and geothermal's potential
• [21:37] Tthe different types of geothermal, including hydrothermal and EGS systems
• [23:32] What's holding geothermal back today
• [25:40] Quaise's approach
• [29:55] How Quaise repurposes oil and gas capabilities to deploy their different technology
• [35:28] Core assumptions the company is working towards in the lab
• [38:37] Challenges associated with scaling
• [40:58] The role of regulation
• [45:37] Quaise's business model
• [48:37] How Carlos evaluates risks associated with his business
• [52:44] Geographic footprint required for other forms of renewable energy
• [55:01] Where new skills are needed from a talent perspective
• [57:01] What's next for Quaise and where they need help

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Episode recorded on January 6, 2023. 

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*This episode is part of our Skilled Labor Series hosted by MCJ partner, Yin Lu. This series is focused on amplifying the voices of folks from the skilled labor workforce, including electricians, farmers, ranchers, HVAC installers, and others who are on the front lines of rewiring our infrastructure.

Today's guest is James Sedlak, who leads Operations and Community Engagement at Kodama Systems, a startup developing automated ways of thinning overcrowded forests and utilizing low-value biomass, which we'll learn more about in the episode. 

From 2019 to 2021, James was a wildland firefighter for three seasons working on fire suppression and mitigation in the El Dorado National Forest. He has also worked on climate resilience projects for local and state agencies in California, such as the Governor's Office of Planning and Research, and the Tahoe Conservancy. 

In this episode, we get into the nitty-gritty of the day of the life of a wildland firefighter and learn about the future of firefighting and what the space will entail. After hearing about the dedication and dangers associated with wildland firefighting, you’ll walk away with a much deeper appreciation and gratitude for the work being done around the mitigation and suppression of fires. And lastly, we at MCJ Collective are proud to be investors in Kodama via our venture capital funds. Enjoy the show!

In this episode, we cover: 

• [2:00] James' background and how he landed his current role at Kodama 
• [5:43] An overview of the El Dorado National Forest and James' work in wildland fire 
• [7:04] Different types of firefighting and how to get started
• [10:31] Courses and the interview process 
• [12:02] Career progression for working in the  U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service (USFS)
• [17:51] An overview of hotshots 
• [19:27] What it's like to be a firefighter and the typical experience during a fire season 
• [22:41] The importance of pre-season training and supporting mental health programs for firefighters
• [26:43] Challenges with retention in the federal wildland firefighting workforce 
• [28:21] An overview of mitigation suppression to prevent wildfires 
• [30:27] Wildfire trends from out on the frontlines and within the workforce 
• [32:49] James' work at Kodama  
• [38:01] Implications of recent flooding on the fire season for this year and years to come 
• James’ Earth Refuge interview

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Episode recorded on January 13, 2022.

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Our guests today are, Diego Saez-Gil of Pachama and Sam Gill of Sylvera, and we're talking about forestry carbon offsets.

Forestry carbon offsets were designed as a financial tool to provide an economic incentive for landowners to make alternative decisions, to pay landowners to keep their forests intact in the case of deforestation avoidance credits or to reforest previously damaged land in the case of reforestation credits. The money for this economic incentive comes from large actors who can then take "credit" for their action and apply it against the carbon footprint of their own organization. This is a carbon offset. In the simplest terms, if part of a company cannot decarbonize quickly, but still aims to achieve net-zero emissions, they can pay a forest landowner to preserve their forest and take an agreed upon amount of carbon off their balance sheet accordingly. And it’s a relatively new thing. Forestry carbon offsets have become a popular product over the last decade, and like any maturing industry, it has challenges.

Diego and Sam are here to walk us through why forests matter, the history of offsets and how they work, some of the challenges highlighted recently, and what they think the path forward looks like. Regardless of what you think of carbon offsets, this is a crucial problem to solve. Without an economic incentive to maintain and regrow the world's forests, any thought of avoiding the worst effects of climate change is out the window. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• Diego's background and intro to Pachama
• Sam's experience and an overview of Sylvera
• Forests in the world today and why they matter for climate
• Risk of deforestation and the Amazon becoming a self-reinforcing negative feedback loop
• How the story of biodiversity has changed from a forestry perspective
• Economic levers at play with regard to forests, including reforestation and afforestation
• The link between forest credits, offsets, and carbon markets
• Problems associated with deforestation credits and managing illegal activity
• The voluntary market for deforestation credits, who's buying and why
• How deforestation credits are measured now and historically
• Measuring reforestation and afforestation projects
• Diego and Sam's thoughts on a recent article in The Guardian claiming that most forest carbon offsets are worthless
• How Sylvera assesses forest projects and its reaction to The Guardian article
• Pachama's approach to creating synthetic baselines and validating the uncertainty of predictions
• Overcoming challenges through collaboration
• Predictions for the future of forest carbon markets

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Episode recorded on January 31, 2023

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Today's guest is Oliver Gunasekara, co-founder and CEO at Impossible Metals. 

If we're to electrify everything, we need an order of magnitude more batteries and wiring. All of this requires metals including nickel, cobalt, lithium, manganese, and copper. More metals mean… you guessed it, more mining. Today's land-based mining practices are fraught with externalities that vary by material, but often include deforestation and land degradation, incredible amounts of water use, pollution via mine tailings, giant diesel trucks, and in some cases even child labor. 

And what's more, the supply chains for many of these resources often flow to China, which has made massive investments in securing access for China-based battery companies. And yet, in certain expanses of our deep ocean, there are seabeds full of golf ball-sized nodules of metal like nickel and cobalt that have naturally formed over millennia. 

Impossible Metals is helping us realize an electrified future by developing underwater autonomous robots that mine metals for EV batteries in the deep sea. The company is developing an audacious moonshot-like technology to sustainably harvest trillions of dollars of undersea metals and disrupt the EV battery supply chain in the process. Buckle up, this discussion is rich and complex. 

In this episode, we cover:

• The state of mining today
• An overview of key battery metals, including nickel cobalt manganese (NCM), cobalt, manganese, and lithium
• Shortfalls in fulfilling the supply chain
• Oliver's journey in startups and how he transitioned to climate tech
• An overview of deep sea minerals and their significance
• The process for mining materials including regulations
• Where we are today in terms of commercial mining of deep-sea minerals
• Scientific exploration required to do the work
• A description of Impossible Metals' autonomous underwater vehicles (AUVs)
• How robotics help the AUV search for metals while minimizing the impact on sea life
• Where the company is today and its goals for reducing the need for new mines
• Costs associated with Impossible Metals' solution compared to dredging and new mines
• Impacts on the supply chain for batteries
• Role of the Inflation Reduction Act in funding manufacturing and production
• Final steps for refining and manufacturing materials into batteries
• How Oliver approaches company formulation with the mission of doing good
• Where the company is today and why the work is important

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Episode recorded on January 10, 2023. 

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Today's guest is Alex Blumberg, who is most recently the co-host of the climate change-focused podcast, How to Save a Planet. Alex was co-founder and CEO of Gimlet Media, which was acquired by Spotify in 2019. 

Alex has a history of unpacking incredibly complex systemic issues and making them digestible for mass audiences. Prior to Gimlet, he was co-host of the podcast Planet Money, which had its origins in unpacking the intricacies of the financial crisis of 2008 and the role of the housing market, therein.

Planet Money went on to do investigative work on a myriad of economic and financial stories. And then Gimlet Media emerged with a similar focus on broader cultural topics. On this pod, we've talked to a few different entrepreneurs who've tackled the challenging problem of climate communications, from Climate Town's comedy, to Pique Action’s positivity, to The Cool Down’s attempts to hook new audiences into caring about climate via individual choices. How to Save a Planet, focused on helping people find their personal agency on the Venn diagram of the intersection of "What brings you joy, what you are good at, and what work needs doing."

Alex and Cody have a conversation about how his own Venn diagram has changed as his skills have shifted from being good at podcasting to being experienced a company building. And they talk about how the broader narrative on climate change has changed over the last few years and why. They also cover the intersection of money and climate and the role of policy and politics therein. This discussion has great takeaways for those who are thinking about plugging themselves into climate-related efforts while leveraging their own skill, and for those working on communicating complex climate issues.

In this episode, we cover: 

• [3:11] Overarching thoughts about the housing crisis and the climate crisis
• [8:41] Public opinion and general awareness of climate change and the issues
• [13:10] The action side of climate communications and how Alex approached it on How to Save a Planet
• [17:10] Listener stories inspired by the podcast
• [19:00] Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson's Climate Action Venn Diagram 
• [22:39] How Alex used his skills in podcasting  to drive climate action
• [24:57] His background in radio and narrative storytelling
• [32:44] How Gimlet Media came to be and an overview of Startup Podcast
• [38:28] Learnings from Alex's journey starting Gimlet through its acquisition by Spotify in 2019
• [43:45] How to harness personal agency while building a company
• [47:11] Situations where using climate change or climate benefits actually hurts business
• [51:39] Alex's thoughts on ESG and corporate action
• [57:26] What's next for Alex

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Episode recorded on December 13, 2022. 

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Today's guest is Peter Reinhardt, co-founder and CEO of Charm Industrial. 

This conversation was recorded as a live session during Climate Career Week, a series of talks, local meetups, and office hours designed to help people make the transition into climate-oriented work. Climate Career Week was organized by Climate Draft, Terra.do, Work on Climate, and MCJ Collective. 

Given the nature of the audience, today's conversation focuses heavily on Peter's own journey into founding one of the most prominent companies in the climate tech space today. Peter also offers his thoughts on how certain key job functions may slightly differ in a climate tech company as opposed to a software tech company. And he would know. As Peter was working on Charm Industrial he was also the active co-founder and CEO of Segment, a software business in customer data management, which he eventually sold to Twilio in 2020 for $3.2 billion. In fact, Charm Industrial operated for multiple years while Peter was running Segment as his primary full-time role.

In addition to the career path discussions, we cover what Charm Industrial is and does and why it matters. We also talk about how he imagines the business expanding in the coming years to take on adjacent problems in the emission space. And lastly, we at MCJ Collective are proud to be multiple-time investors in Charm Industrial via our venture capital funds. With that, we hope you enjoyed this conversation.

In this episode, we cover: 

• [2:12] Peter's background and path into tech
• [3:53] His motivations for dropping out of MIT and starting a software company 
• [6:11] How Peter discovered the problem for Segment's software solution
• [7:35] Learnings from becoming a CEO  
• [9:55] Peter's motivations for working on the climate problem and how Charm Industrial came to be
• [18:01] An overview of Charm Industrial
• [22:01] An overview of pyrolysis and Charm's process 
• [25:07] How Peter views the company's core innovation 
• [28:58] Biggest risks and challenges with putting bio-oil underground 
• [31:14] Customer side of carbon sequestration
• [34:24] How Peter sees Charm evolving 
• [40:21] Key job function differences between a climate tech company vs a software tech company 
• [45:10] Biggest lessons learned in transitioning from leading a software company to a carbon removal company 
• [46:16] How Peter approaches permitting including exploring jurisdictions and finding consultants 
• [47:31] Biggest choking point today and where MRV fits in

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Episode recorded on January 27, 2023. Watch the video here.

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Today's guest is Simon Moores, CEO of Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, the world’s leading Price Reporting Agency (PRA) for the lithium-ion battery to the electric vehicle supply chain and a data and intelligence provider for the space.

Simon and Cody have a great conversation about the state of the EV battery supply chain and lithium in particular – where it comes from, how it's processed, what drives its price, the geopolitical considerations of its mining and production, and what to expect in the coming years and decades. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [1:50] Simon's background in batteries, mining, and journey to starting Benchmark Mineral Intelligence
• [3:30] The role of EV batteries in driving the lithium market
• [6:45] Primary method of lithium mining today and challenges for scaling long term
• [12:44] Driving forces behind energy storage volumes today
• [13:37] Supply chain for lithium today and current challenges
• [19:36] Production of lithium in China
• [22:10] Environmental impact of processing metals into chemicals for batteries
• [25:25] The US plan for domestic lithium-ion battery processing and impacts of the Inflation Reduction Act
• [30:00] Joint ventures and other key players   building gigafactories
• [33:24] Status of EV consumer market in China
• [36:30] An overview of Benchmark Minerals
• [41:11] Simon's short and long-term market outlook for lithium

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Episode recorded on January 17, 2023.

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Today's guest is Dr. Evan Thomas, CEO and Founder of Virridy, and Director of the Mortensen  Center in Global Engineering & Resilience and the Climate Innovation Collaboratory at the University of Colorado in Boulder. Evan is also a tenured Associate Professor in the CU Boulder Civil, Environmental and Architectural Engineering Department. So, he’s a busy guy.  

Virridy’ s water sensors monitor and measure groundwater pumping for more than 4 million people in the East African countries of Kenya and Ethiopia and the American West. The company’s partners include the National Science Foundation (NSF), USAID, The World Bank, NASA, the Millennium Water Alliance, Swarm Technologies, The Freshwater Trust, Wexus Technologies and the Kenyan government.

We’ve had a few conversations on the pod recently at the intersection of water and climate change. Jason spoke with Felicia Marcus of Stanford’s Water in the West program, and Cody talked to David Wallace of CODA Farm Tech. It’s worth noting some of the key learnings up to this point. For starters, conversations about water are nuanced. Droughts, floods, sea level rise, irrigation, stormwater systems, clean drinking water, etc… all have water as a common thread, but are each enormously separate topics on their own. And while most of the problems and challenges with water existed before climate change, they have accelerated faster than anyone anticipated. 

Evan is pursuing two different business models in East Africa and the U.S., albeit with the same tech stack. In the former, he primarily seeks to earn avoided emissions carbon credits by monitoring the activity of groundwater pumps and the cleanliness of the water they produce, and ensuring access to clean drinking water without the need to burn fuels to heat and purify it. In the American West, he is participating in the demand response economy, helping water utilities shut down their groundwater pumps and conserve electricity during times of peak grid demand.

Evan and Cody have a fantastically nuanced conversation, tackling subjects as diverse as the outcomes of COP27 as it relates to climate justice, his background at NASA and how it informed his approach to earth science, how he runs a company while also being a university professor, how carbon credit financing works, and of course the differences in how climate change is accelerating droughts in East Africa and the American West, and what that means for the water systems in each geography. Get ready to dive in a learn a ton!  

In this episode, we cover: 

• [4:12] Evan's background in water systems in space and rural communities
• [8:28] Applying carbon credits to clean drinking water
• [10:50] Evan's partnership with Life Straw and academic and entrepreneurial experience
• [12:20] Similarities and differences between the American West and East Africa in terms of climate change and water
• [18:36] Groundwater in East Africa vs. California and purification requirements
• [24:10] Virridy's solution and technology
• [26:22] The company's carbon credit methodologies in Africa
• [28:31] Financial incentives and carbon offset endorsements from COP27 in Egypt
• [32:11] Virridy's different business model in the U.S.
• [37:48] How Evan manages Virridy's different markets
• [42:59] Applying Virridy's tech to soil carbon
• [46:23] The company's funding to date and an overview of pre-selling carbon credits

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Episode recorded on November 28, 2022.

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This episode is part of our new Skilled Labor Series hosted by MCJ partner, Yin Lu. This series is focused on amplifying the voices of folks from the skilled labor workforce, including electricians, farmers, ranchers, HVAC installers, and others who are on the front lines of rewiring our infrastructure.

Our next guest is Tonya Hicks, President and CEO of Power Solutions and Managing Principle of Women Do Everything, LLC.  

Tonya is a serial entrepreneur, a single mom of two boys, and a wireman electrician in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW). She became the first woman to attain the status of inside journeyman wireman in the IBEW Local 917 in her hometown of Meridian, Mississippi, and the first African American woman to become an IBEW journeyman electrician in the State of Mississippi.

Tonya’s primary electrician job started in industrial environments, working in paper mills, steel mills, and car plants. She then specialized in robotics and high-voltage equipment installation and repair. In 2000 at age 28, Tonya founded Power Solutions, Inc. an electrical contracting company. Tonya is also the founder of Women Do Everything, which supports women in blue-collar, male-dominated industries to help them grow, connect, and thrive.

In this episode, Tonya shares her background in mathematics and switch to electrical work. We also learn how she started her company, its international footprint, and her challenges as a black woman in a male-dominated industry. Yin and Tonya cover different types of electricians plus the union vs. non-union experience for people interested in the space. Finally, they talk about the electrician shortage, the impacts of the IRA on electrical work, and Tonya’s other inspiring endeavors. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [2:18] Tonya's background in electrical work
• [6:35] The education path to becoming an electrician
• [8:46] Gender and racial disparities in the trades and electrical work specifically
• [12:37] How Tonya started her own company called Power Solutions and grew her business
• [21:44] Power Solutions' footprint in Georgia and internationally
• [23:41] Different types of electricians and the union vs. non-union experience
• [27:07] The electrician shortage
• [27:54] An overview of Tonya's Women Do Everything organization
• [31:32] The first Women's Summit and Career Expo on March 28-29 in Atlanta, Georgia
• [35:45] Impacts of the IRA on electrical work
• [38:28] Tonya's SHE EV company

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Episode recorded on December 5, 2022. 

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Today's guest is Sam D'Amico, Founder and CEO at Impulse. Impulse is helping to electrify homes with sleek-looking all-electric appliances, starting with an induction cooktop.

Regardless of whether or not you pay close attention to the climate space, you've probably seen some commentary in the last few weeks about gas stoves. The gas stovetop has become one of the latest culture war topics in American political discourse. Recent remarks from an official with the US Consumer Product Safety Commission about health risks associated with gas stoves in the home have prompted a wave of conservative voices to speak out in support of gas stoves, with one prominent House Republican tweeting a picture of a lit gas stovetop and the caption QUOTE "you'll have to pry it from my COLD DEAD HANDS!"

Sam and Cody have a great conversation about the news from the last few weeks, the emissions profile of gas stoves, recent data on health risks associated with gas stoves in the home, the history of how gas stoves came into homes in the first place, some of the city and state level regulation that has recently been enacted around gas hookups in new construction, and then all about induction stoves and what Impulse is building. Since this topic is likely to cross over and come up in conversation with folks you might not expect, we hope you find it informative and helpful. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [3:38] The culture war around gas stoves 
• [5:25] Growth of gas usage in homes 
• [9:57] Emissions and human health concerns of using gas stoves
• [17:57] Regulations around gas hookups
• [22:27] Utility incentives and influencer campaigns for gas appliances 
• [27:11] Legacy electric stove tops 
• [31:14] An overview of induction stoves 
• [5:45] Installation process for induction stoves 
• [40:04] Impulse's suite of appliances
• [45:30] Sam's background and how he transitioned to working on appliances
• [47:55] Future plans for Impulse 
• [50:49] Challenges and changes needed to help people understand induction stoves 

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Episode recorded on January 19, 2023

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