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Today, we have two guests, Peter Minor, Director of Science and Innovation at Carbon180; and Jack Andreasen, Policy Manager for Carbon Management at Breakthrough Energy. Peter and Jack are two of the world’s foremost experts in the world on carbon dioxide removal, or CDR as it's called in climate circles. They and their respective organizations influence public policy, support critical technology research and development, and offer various other forms of support for the burgeoning field of CDR.

In this conversation, we're focused almost exclusively on ambient carbon dioxide removal and not on point source carbon capture, which is a separate but related technology focused on directly capturing emissions from hard-to-abate industrial applications like concrete, steel, and fossil fuel extraction. Ambient carbon dioxide removal (CDR) instead seeks to remove diffuse CO2 from the atmosphere directly via multiple methodologies, of which the most widely pictured method is direct air capture, or DAC, which looks like oversized fans that extract CO2 from the air. In addition, we also touch on a few biology-related CDR technologies like biochar that seek to lock biologically produced carbon up before it can become atmospheric.

There's so much to unpack in this one. Cody, Peter and Jack talk about policy tailwinds for CDR, the categories and methodologies, commercial adoption progress and challenges, how and why buyers approach the space today, and some of the speed bumps CDR will undoubtedly encounter as it scales, including but not limited to fraud and false claims. Challenges aside, it's an exciting time in this space. CDR is still very nascent and very wide open, but it also feels light years further along than just a few years ago. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [3:08] An overview of Carbon180 and Peter's work
• [5:07] Breakthrough Energy and Jack's background 
• [7:48] Policy tailwinds of the IRA
• [12:59] Why DAC became a policy winner and other investments in the IRA 
• [14:36] Hybrid approaches to removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere 
• [18:30] An overview of direct air capture (DAC) and mineralization 
• [25:03] Enhanced rock weathering 
• [27:46] Measuring CDR and uncertainty with open and closed systems 
• [32:54] Variety of ocean methods compared to terrestrial  
• [35:11] Biochar as a scaled solution, why it's a less prominent method, and Measurement, Reporting, and Verification (MRV) 
• [40:53] Analysis for selecting and purchasing CDR credits 
• [43:00] The role of consulting firms for companies purchasing CDR credits 
• [52:13] Reasons why companies are buying CDR 
• [55:17] Biggest risks of fraud and different levels 
• [1:03:03] Guardrails for preventing fraud and the role of government 
• [1:06:25] Innovation needs for CDR

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

• Buying Carbon Removal, Explained by Shopify
• Carbon180 Resources
• CDR.fyi 2022 Year in Review

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Episode recorded on January 4, 2023

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Today's guest is Allison Dring, CEO and co-founder of Made of Air, which makes carbon-negative materials using biochar for the built environment and consumer goods.

Biochar is a carbon-rich material from burning biomass such as wood or crop residue. We’ve loosely covered this topic with startups like Climate Robotics, but Made of Air is taking a different approach. The company uses biochar powder mixed with bioplastics to create a moldable, functional material embedded with captured carbon. Made of Air is helping to drive the net-zero economy by using its material in various products, including fashion accessories, brand facades, and building materials.  

The way we approach seemingly routine aspects of building design, such as accent textures on walls, is shifting as we become more aware of the environmental impact of embodied carbon. Allison and Made of Air are leading examples of this transformation in the industry.

In this episode, Allison and Cody have an interesting conversation about current building materials and how the built environment is thinking about decarbonization. They also discuss how carbon-negative materials can complement other emissions reduction practices in buildings. Finally, they delve into the end-of-life process for these buildings and what materials would need to look like to ensure that carbon stays sequestered.

In this episode, we cover:

• [2:11] Systemic failures in the built environment
• [4:31] Why we should be paying attention to embodied carbon right now
• [6:22] New regulations in Europe for building emissions
• [8:45] Allison's background as a trained architect and how she met her co-founder
• [14:10] Allison's approach from a climate perspective with carbon capture at the forefront
• [18:10] An overview of Made of Air's process
• [21:27] Use cases for Made of Air's material, including fashion and the built environment
• [25:17] The company's role in customers' manufacturing process and impact on Scope 3 Emissions
• [29:19] The green premium question
• [32:40] Made of Air's production footprint and plans to scale
• [36:00] Biochar's end-of-life and permanent sequestration
• [39:15] The financial side of the business
• [42:10] Who Allison wants to hear from and how to work with Made of Air

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Episode recorded on November 7, 2022. 

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Today’s guest is Dr. David Kirtley, Founder and CEO at Helion, which is building the world's first fusion generator and enabling a future of unlimited clean electricity. 

Nuclear fusion has the potential to revolutionize the way we produce energy. As the driving force behind every star in our galaxy, fusion has long been hailed as the "holy grail" of clean energy, offering a limitless and fossil-free source of power. But the idea of harnessing fusion on Earth has seemed like a dream that’s perpetually 30 years away. However, with a recent influx of venture capital and the emergence of fusion startups, unlimited clean energy may finally be within reach. 

This episode was initially recorded as a fireside chat at the SOSV Climate Tech Summit on October 25-26, 2022 (video here). Jason and David talk about Helion, the company’s origin story, approach, and progress. They also cover some of the barriers holding them back, and what it will take to get to true commercial adoption. The discussion also touches on fusion in general, why the joke has been that fusion is 30 years away and always will be, and how close we are to the exciting promise of fusion technology.

In this episode, we cover: 

• [2:20] An overview of Helion 
• [2:50] How David came to work on fusion and its possibilities 
• [5:04] Status of nuclear fusion
• [7:25] David's thoughts on the fusion landscape, including different players and types 
• [10:23] Company origin story 
• [12:26] How Helion pieced together their solution set 
• [14:20] Funding milestones to date 
• [15:17] Early stages and current risks 
• [17:54] Helion's plans for commercialization and the company's business model 
• [18:53] The pitch for initial customers 
• [20:18] Supply chain concerns 
• [21:04] Who David wants to hear from and open positions at Helion

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Episode recorded on October 25, 2022.

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Today's guest is Manik Suri, CEO and Founder of Therma. 

The cold chain is a massive part of modern society that doesn't get much attention. It stores a huge amount of goods, allowing us to keep food fresh, medicines effective, and current internet infrastructure. Yes, even data centers are part of the cold chain.

Therma is turning commercial and industrial refrigeration systems into virtual power plants and helping to reduce emissions across three vectors: food waste, energy, and refrigerant gases. Manik took a lean startup approach to Therma with a thesis that he could monitor refrigeration to help companies avoid spoilage. That idea led him to uncover related customer problems such as controlling temperature, optimizing power consumption, and detecting potential equipment failures that could lead to leaks. Collectively these problems add up to nearly 10% of global emissions. As refrigeration and cooling spread across a warming world, this footprint is expected to grow. The story of unchecked cooling is one of the self-reinforcing negative feedback loops where warmer weather requires more cooling, which uses more power and leaks more refrigerant, causing warmer weather… on repeat.

In this episode, Cody Simms chatted with Manik to hear the details of our collective refrigeration and cold chain problem, how his solution at Therma came to be, and what's next for this side of the cooling world. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [2:19] An overview of the cold chain
• [5:10] Regulations and rules from a temperature management standpoint
• [8:09] Major sources of waste and inefficiency in the cooling sector and cold chain
• [10:02] Role of refrigerant leaks during a machine's lifespan and end-of-life
• [14:49] An overview of the cold chain emissions footprint
• [18:07] Origins of Therma and the company's solution
• [23:12] Manik's journey and how he landed in refrigeration
• [27:36] Therma's hardware, software, and analytical platform
• [31:00] The company's subscription model and how it came to be during the pandemic
• [33:16] How Therma predicts manufacturing timeframes and balances risk
• [35:06] The company's early adopters at a national level and plans to scale
• [38:13] Job opportunities

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Episode recorded on November 21, 2022. 

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This episode is part of our Skilled Labor Series hosted by MCJ partner, Yin Lu. This series is focused on amplifying the voices of folks from the skilled labor workforce, including electricians, farmers, ranchers, HVAC installers, and others who are on the front lines of rewiring our infrastructure.

Today's guest is Brittany Heller, Director of Program Management at HeatSpring. 

Last year, we kicked off this series by hearing from a field technician working on the installation side of the solar industry. And while there are many facets to the PV space, we couldn’t just end there. Today’s guest is a fascinating follow-up from that initial episode because Brittany’s background and experience as a female in a male-dominated field highlight a different side of the spectrum. From doing door-to-door to back office sales, solar construction, and most recently workforce development and democratizing training access to get more people working in the solar industry, she has a wealth of knowledge for women who are looking to make the switch and are not sure where to start. 

We met Brit through the Greenwork platform, and naturally invited our friend Sam Steyer to co-host the conversation. We find out how Brit felt a calling to work on something more meaningful in life and applied for a solar job on a whim, how solar policy shifts uprooted her and her now husband from Louisiana to Colorado, what it's like to transition from doing sales to doing solar construction projects, and the empathy she's built seeing both sides of the house, and ways to create a more inclusive future workforce in the skills trade arena. Enjoy! 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [3:12] Britt's background and how she found her way into the solar industry
• [6:47] Her experience with door-to-door sales 
• [8:06] Differences between outside vs inside sales 
• [10:23] The role of policy in Britt's career at Grid Alternatives 
• [14:24] Her experience working in construction 
• [17:00] An overview of Grid Alternatives and the org's revenue model 
• [20:02] Construction skills Britt gained that changed her life 
• [22:00] Learnings from working in both the sales and construction sides 
• [25:48] Inspiring stories from Britt's workforce development chapter at Grid
• [29:01] Tips for deciding on where people can focus in the skills trade side of climate 
• [30:37] The role of gender and diversity representation in the trades 
• [36:40] How Britt sees her career evolving in the future

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Episode recorded on October 5, 2022. 

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Today's guest is Dr. Leah Ellis, CEO and co-founder of Sublime Systems, which is using electrochemistry to make cement and in doing so claims to have a pathway to reduce the emissions footprint of cement production by 60-90%.

Cement is the most abundant man-made material on earth, with billions of tons produced yearly. So far the primary pathway to reducing its emissions footprint is via point source carbon capture otherwise defined as collecting the greenhouse gasses that are emitted as part of the process of breaking down limestone to make cement. But those gasses are diffuse and mixed in with a bunch of other stuff which makes capturing pure greenhouse gas streams hard and expensive. C mmMJ Heating the limestone up to the point of it breaking down requires extremely high temperatures and coal. 

Dr. Ellis and Sublime took a totally different approach to the problem. Instead of heating up the limestone, the company figured out ways to use chemistry to break it down, even if that requires a lot of electricity. Leah and her co-founder used their backgrounds in EV battery chemistry and have invented a method that essentially turns a cement plant into an electric-distributed energy resource.

This conversation with Cody and Leah is an eye-opener as they spent a bunch of time digging into how climate solutions can be tackled by outsiders who apply cross-functional learnings to big problems. Leah is incredibly knowledgeable and her unique experience in the "electrify everything" movement highlights what that might mean at an industrial scale. Enjoy!

In this episode, we cover: 

• [3:14] An overview of cement and associated GHG emissions 
• [9:52] The role of coal in making cement 
• [11:44] Relevant terminology 
• [14:22] Different types of cement 
• [16:12] Leah's background in EV batteries and electrochemistry 
• [18:52] Her co-founder Yet-Ming Chiang 
• [22:36] How the idea of electrochemical cement came together
• [27:01] An overview of Sublime Systems 
• [30:41] The company's inputs and outputs 
• [33:18] Legacy cement manufacturers and their path to net zero commitments 
• [38:12] Alternative feedstocks to limestone 
• [40:41] The big catalyst for Sublime Systems 
• [44:23] How Leah is talking to legacy cement companies and Sublime's potential business models
• [47:31] How companies can pay for green premiums 
• [49:15] Need for external measurements for carbon reduction and LCAs
• [51:43] Sublime's production today, their future roadmap, and open positions

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Episode recorded on October 21, 2022

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Today's guest is Jonathan Strauss, co-founder and CEO of Climate Draft, whose mission is to expose more people to the inspiring, impactful, and lucrative opportunities at venture-backed startups focused on decarbonizing the global economy.

Talent movement into climate tech is critical, especially talent that has learned to scale businesses and technologies fast. In many cases, the skillsets that these folks possess are so ingrained that they don't even recognize them as skills. Innate familiarity with things like how to build a hiring pipeline, how to properly incentivize a sales team, do performance reviews, how to establish a culture, bring in and integrate senior executives as it scales, and how to manage key accounts. These are all day-to-day activities that people in big tech companies take for granted but in many cases are altogether new skills for climate companies founded by folks with skills in synthetic biology, mechanical engineering, or other areas. And getting many of these key climate technologies to a scale fast is what needs to happen given the timeframes we are working with from a global carbon budget.

Climate Draft is an organic effort, born out of the climate tech community and focused on increasing the awareness of climate in other corners of tech and industries beyond, particularly into talent pools with individuals who have deep experience scaling businesses and who may be concerned about climate change but haven't yet explored working in climate as a career path.

Jonathan and Cody have known each other for over 15 years, and have a great conversation about his journey from mainstream tech into progressive political work and then into climate, the community-based origins of Climate Draft, and what he's learned as he's helped thousands of people take their first step into exploring climate-related work. Great inspiration for anybody looking to figure out how to apply their skills most effectively in climate work.

In this episode, we cover: 

• 3:21] Jonathan's background and climate journey
• [14:55] The initial idea for Climate Draft
• [21:29] Need for talent and company-building experience in the climate space
• [26:18] First version of the "sports draft" model and learnings 
• [32:06] Pros and cons of working with an all-volunteer team 
• [36:38] An overview of Climate Draft today 
• [41:35] Use case for people using Climate Draft as an entry point
• [44:24] Some of the takeaways from talent looking to transition to climate 
• [46:06] Misconceptions about compensation in climate careers
• [47:08] Applicable skills 
• [48:40] Learnings from climate companies trying to recruit talent 
• [51:01] Range of geographies, skill sets, and industries that involve climate 
• [53:26] Revenue-based financing that worked for Climate Draft 
• [59:03] Learnings from founders

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Episode recorded on December 1, 2022.

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Today's guest is Sarah Richardson, CEO and co-founder of MicroByre, which is domesticating novel bacteria and using biology to produce chemicals that can supplant petrochemical production methods.

Only a small portion of a barrel of oil is responsible for its petrochemical outputs. Most of a barrel is what you'd expect: fuel that's converted to gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc. But that small portion of petrochemical feedstocks is really valuable; by some estimates, it makes up to a quarter or more of the value of a barrel of oil. If we want to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels to slow down climate change, one of the ways to do that is to lessen the value of a barrel of oil.

MicroByre does this by looking to the natural world. There are microbes and bacteria all around us, eating things, producing things, and living in all sorts of environments, from the highest mountains to the deepest sea vents. There may be a trillion or more bacterial species out there, with 99.99% of them undiscovered by humans. And yet when it comes to domesticating microbes, the technology world has turned almost exclusively to yeast and E. coli.

We typically think of microbes as something to which you feed sugar and it outputs alcohol. That's fermentation and it's how we make sourdough bread, beer, kombucha, kimchee, etc. But on this show, we've covered other input/output combinations such as Zero Acre Farms which uses bacteria to produce cooking oils. So what combinations of bacteria, feed, and environment can produce valuable chemicals? And can these bacteria be genetically modified to do this even more efficiently?

These are the things that MicroByre is focused on. When we first started asking people about Sarah, more than one person told us that she was among the most intelligent people they'd ever met. Someone even said that they thought she'd win a Nobel Prize someday. After listening to her climate journey with bacteria, you’ll quickly realize why she’s highly regarded. We're thrilled to be investors in MicroByre at MCJ and hope you enjoy this conversation. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• [3:10] Sarah's background and early lab experience 
• [7:15] Her cross-disciplinary work at Johns Hopkins and the Department of Energy 
• [16:55] Differences between biology and chemistry in trying to manipulate and grow organisms
• [21:33] An overview of biotechnology vs. industrial biotechnology 
• [22:37] Petroleum's role in chemical production 
• [24:40] Sarah's motivation for working on climate 
• [27:40] An overview of MicroByre 
• [31:49] The role of genetic modification in MicroByre's solution 
• [37:12] MicroByre's commercial business model 
• [40:07] The company's flexible approach to working with clients and managing uncertainty 
• [43:56] Some of the chemical compounds MicroByre is solving for
• [47:22] The company's four client categories 
• [55:22] The types of talent working at MicroByre 
• [1:00:05] Funding to date and plans moving forward

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Episode recorded on November 4, 2022. 

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This episode is part of our new Skilled Labor Series hosted by MCJ partner, Yin Lu. This series is focused on amplifying the voices of folks from the skilled labor workforce, including electricians, farmers, ranchers, HVAC installers, and others who are on the front lines of rewiring our infrastructure.

Today, we are talking trucks with Larry Coons. 

Transportation accounted for the largest portion of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions in 2020, with 26% of those emissions coming from medium and heavy-duty trucks alone. Regulations on freight transportation are bound to have an impact, as the industry grapples with an aging workforce. But to understand exactly what it’s like to haul cargo on the road for 11 hours a day, or to adequately address concerns among truckers as new technology develops, you have to put yourself in the driver’s seat. Luckily, Larry has 10 years of experience on the road and also spent time as an automation truck tester with Uber Freight and Ike.

In this chat, Yin and Larry talk about how he got into trucking, the role the climate change narrative has on decision-making, and what it’s like to be a long-haul driver. Larry also sheds light on the aging workforce and the need for younger drivers who are more likely to adopt new technologies. They also cover some general frustrations and stressors of the job, Larry’s views on electric trucks, and his experience working on some self-driving programs. 

In this episode, we cover:

• [1:56] How Larry got interested in trucking at a young age 
• [5:52] The education, training, and certification process to becoming a truck driver 
• [11:31] The trucker shortage and its impacts 
• [13:37] Issues with driver payments 
• [17:03] Deciding between the owner-operate route or working for a freight company 
• [19:46] Things we can do to inspire a younger and more diverse trucking fleet 
• [22:02] Role of technology 
• [25:09] Larry's thoughts and concerns on electric trucks 
• [28:09] A day in the life of a truck driver 
• [31:31] Larry's work with Uber Freight 
• [42:16] His future plans 

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Episode recorded on October 3, 2022.

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Today's guest is Jason Prapas, CEO and Founder of FYTO, which is a technology company that is unlocking the potential of nutrient-rich aquatic plants to reduce the emissions and water footprint of food production, starting with cattle cultivation.

Raising livestock, particularly cattle, is known for its incredibly high emissions footprint. And while we can make responsible diet choices individually, relying on society to change as a whole is challenging in a world that’s increasingly adopting meat-oriented food products. If opting for plant-based alternatives requires consumer choice and sacrifice, what are the systems-level approaches we can take to solve cattle’s carbon footprint?

Each of humanity's major cultivated crops is a platform of sorts. Wheat, corn, soybeans, rice, etc. all have micro-economies surrounding them, including specific tools and machinery, input requirements, supply chains, markets, and geographies. FYTO is creating an entirely new agricultural crop platform that uses automation and sensor technology to achieve protein-rich aquatic plant mass at scale. It's a huge bet, with a huge reward for the planet if it pays off.

Cody and Jason have a great conversation about the negative feedback loops built into the emissions and water impact of cattle production today, plus what it will take to grow a closed-loop system that can halt and reverse these externalities. 

In this episode, we cover:

• [4:12] Problems with food and water security coupled with rapid carbon reductions 
• [6:04] Expected growth of food production and the climate impact 
• [8:15] The role of animal agriculture 
• [11:06] How climate justice fits in
• [12:59] Downstream impacts of a cow's diet, including emissions and deforestation
• [20:47] Groundwater pollution from animal food production 
• [25:21] Methane emissions from cattle and different approaches aimed at reducing them 
• [30:04] FYTO's farm solution 
• [34:31] Role of technology development in farming better crops at scale 
• [36:01] The FYTO farm setup 
• [39:39] Protein comparisons between FYTO's plants and other types of cattle feed 
• [40:39] Role of recycled animal waste as fertilizer 
• [41:27] FYTO's current trials for measuring methane impact 
• [42:51] The company's business model 
• [48:07] Understanding impacts on scope three emissions 
• [50:01] FYTO's shelf-life and storage 
• [53:59] The company's funding to date and plans for growth

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Episode recorded on October 5, 2022.

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