First, David Canfield speaks to Barry Keoghan, who has built a reputation for sinister characters but transforms into well-meaning sweetheart Dominic in Martin McDonagh's The Banshees of Inisherin. Then, Rebecca Ford talks to Ruben Ostlund, the director of the wild Palme d'Or winner Triangle of Sadness, which is more inspired by his real life than you might think.

Triangle of Sadness is in limited release now. The Banshees of Inisherin opens in Iimited release October 21. 

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