The MeatEater personality and longtime conservationist has been tapped to run Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Here's how Ryan 'Cal' Callaghan thinks about public lands, safeguarding them, and why he's still an optimist about it all.

Guest hosted by hunting and conservation editor Andrew McKean.

Produced by executive editor Natalie Krebs.

Edited by Mike Pedersen / Eighty Five Audio.

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