On the chilling podcast Hidden Killers, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta delve into the disturbing case of Ruby Frankie, a mother sentenced to prison for shocking acts of abuse against her children.  In this episode, they explore the question of whether convicted cult leader and self-help guru Jodi Hildebrandt may have played a role in the horrific abuse Ruby inflicted.

“I mean, how do you unlearn something like that? Once you go so far down the road, why now are you seeing the errors in your ways?”  – Tony Brueski

Defense attorney Bob Motta weighs in,  offering his legal perspective on the case: *“I don’t think prison rehabilitates, but people can be rehabilitated in prison.  They have resources, but they don’t force you to take them...” *

The hosts debate whether Ruby was truly a victim of manipulation or whether she holds ultimate responsibility for the crimes she committed. Brueski and Motta consider the psychological damage inflicted by those like Jodi Hildebrandt, drawing on the real-life experiences of individuals who escaped her control.

*“Do I think that Ruby will come out in 20 or 30 years, whenever she’s going to get out, and become an abusive monster again? No…I think she’s feeling the full weight of it right now.” * – Bob Motta

In a case filled with darkness, Hidden Killers seeks to understand how the path to abuse is forged. Was Ruby always capable of this, or is there more to the story? Did desperation make her susceptible to influence by an evil outsider? Does a chance of redemption exist in the aftermath of such horrific crimes?

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