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It's time to talk about money in the outdoor sector. I know there are individuals and groups having these conversations on a case-by-case level. We decided not to talk about this on the podcast until now because we didn’t want to be outing individual experiences with payment.

But in August, Matt Barr from the Looking Sideways podcast posted this:

Open Thread: is it ever OK for brands not to pay creatives or contributors fairly for their time and expertise?

And Matt and Soraya had a chat on Looking Sideways that spoke in part about money. 

In this episode, I ask Matt more about the catalyst for posting that thread, and we pick apart the question itself. After our chat, you’ll hear some of the Looking Sideways podcast and then several talking heads.

Read Matt’s Blogs:

• Open Thread: is it ever OK for brands not to pay creatives or contributors fairly for their time and expertise?
• The Ethics of Paying Creatives and Contributors: Five Things We Learned

Listen to Soraya on the Looking Sideways Podcast:

• Type 2: Episode 026 - Soraya Abdel-Hadi - by Matthew Barr

Listen to our award-winning episode:

• Climate consciousness, a new National cycling trail and the #WeTwo polar expedition 

Find out more about the guests in this episode:

• Matt Barr from Looking Sideways
• Soraya Abdel-Hadi soraya.earth 
• Ani (@ani_went_outside) from Outside Our Way
• Carlos Casas from Colour Up Bristol (@colourupbristol)
• Kathi Kamleitner (@watchmesee) from the Wild For Scotland podcast
• Steph Wetherell from Every Body Outdoors (@every_body_outdoors) 
• Oge Ejizu (@ogsworld) from Black Girls Hike
• Sonny Peart (@runny.sonny) from Black Trail Runners (@blacktrailrunners)
• Frankie Dewar from The Purposeful Adventure Club (@purposefuladventureclub)

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