This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word.

00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher 

03:46  - Jack's practice in his own words 

05:56 - Don't over think it 

07:32 - Design vs Art  

10:11 -  Systems art and the internet as a canvas 

18:05 - In-search of resonance 

23:30 - Validation and recognition 

26:05 - How useful is the term 'Artist'? 

31:45 - The internet's huge unlock 

35:50 - Effort does not equal value 

38:00 - Independence, control and  externalising your thinking 

39:54 - Minting on instinct 

43:00 - The power of a network 

45:30 -  Why is the industry so male orientated? 

48:10 - Thoughts on exhibiting in a physical space 

54:50 - Creating understanding and the issue with working outside the box 

59:55 - Power laws and growing the network 

01:05:15 - Making your process visible 

01:11:50 - New projects, experiments and constraints 

01:14:32 - AI as part of a creative practice 

01:16:35 - Where we'll be in three years? 

01:25:00 - News from across the space 

01:29 50 - Embracing the intensity of the space 

01:32:15 - Artist highlights 

Jack Butcher: https://x.com/jackbutcher 

Visualize Value: https://x.com/visualizevalue

Ed Atkins:  https://www.instagram.com/edatkinsdiet

Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael 

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery 

Kevin Esherick: https://x.com/kev_esh 

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan