Jacob Helberg (@jacobhelberg), foreign policy expert and author of The Wires of War, joins Lucas Bagno and Ian Cinnamon to discuss:

- Why he says peace through trade was the biggest foreign policy miscalculation in US history.

- How US companies have approached operating in China and why Jacob would advise them to proactively work to decouple themselves from the Chinese market.

- Why Jacob would prefer that American laws change to restrict Chinese investments in US companies.

- Why the Belt and Road Initiative has come to be seen as a debt trap.

- What keeps him optimistic and what ordinary Americans can do if they are concerned about China.

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