Josh Levin interviews the Athletic’s John Hollinger about his career inside and outside the NBA. Topics discussed include the rise of Luka Doncic, how Hollinger came up with player efficiency rating, his tenure with the Memphis Grizzlies, and trading Marc Gasol.

Luka Doncic (02:15): How the 20-year-old became a star and how he could keep getting better.

PER (07:55): The birth of the NBA’s most popular all-in-one statistic.

Grizzlies (24:15): The highs and lows of the 2013 and 2015 playoffs.

Marc Gasol (44:17): The ins and outs of trading one of the Grizzlies’ franchise players.

Afterball (51:25): Josh on the inventor of the Nerf football.

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