In late June, President Trump visited Yuma, Arizona to celebrate 200 new miles of border wall declaring, “It stopped COVID, it stopped everything.” John Wray, the acclaimed author of five novels, including most recently Godsend, imagines what the border barrier will look like long after Trump, in say, 2056—what will be standing, whom it will protect, how much it will matter. Hint: Tread carefully.

Narrated by Edoardo Ballerini. Hosted by Ashley C. Ford.

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