Jon Kol and Asa Oines, cofounders of Abacus join the show to talk about the state of the art in cross chain interoperability. In this episode: 

• Career trajectories and why Jon and Asa decided to start Abacus 
• The three eras of interoperability 
• Asset interoperability vs app based interoperability 
• Why asset interoperability might just be a transitional phase 
• Why asset interoperability is more about the creation of derivatives than true portability 
• Application parallelization or duplication versus native cross chain applications 
• Why duplicating applications across chain is inefficient 
• The advantages of building natively cross chain for developers
• How blockchains can be made to communicate with each other
• Key assumptions you need to rely on to trust that Abacus will work 
• How Abacus is distinguished from other interoperability protocols 
• Why speed matters in cross chain 
• How Abacus differs from Layer0 and Axelar 
• Which blockchains Abacus is linking together 

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