Joy St. John, Dean of Admission & Financial Aid at Wellesley College, joins Ken for a conversation that could also have been featured on Guy Raz's "How I Built This" when she describes how she and her colleagues essentially built an admission office from scratch. Get out whatever you write your notes with, because Joy drops great advice all through the episode.


Rapid Descent

• Walkout song:  Just Fine , Mary J. Blige
• Best recent read: The Whiteness of Wealth: How the Tax System Impoverishes Black Americans--and How We Can Fix It by Dorothy Brown
• Eager to read next: Caste: A Brief History of Racism, Sexism, Classism, Ageism, Homophobia, Religious Intolerance, Xenophobia and Reasons for Hope by Isabel Wilkerson
• Podcast: Renegades Barack Obama & Bruce Springsteen
• Favorite thing to make in the kitchen: any kind of cake 
• What she uses to take and keep notes: Evernote
• Memorable bit of advice: From Tom Parker at Amherst who was the first to tell her "I think you can do this job." 
• Bucket list: Go to Trinidad.

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