Joyce Vance was a federal prosecutor for 25 years, resigning on the eve of Donald Trump’s first inauguration. Now, she’s a law professor, a legal analyst for NBC and MSNBC and author of the popular Substack “Civil Discourse,” signing off every post with the four words: “We’re in this together.” In a new book she encourages readers to not despair at the erosion of democratic norms, but to fight back. As she writes, “Progress may not be linear, but that doesn’t mean we can’t look forward beyond these difficult years we are living through and prepare to regain our America.” Vance joins us to talk about the latest legal challenges to the Trump administration and about her book, “Giving Up Is Unforgivable: A Manual for Keeping a Democracy.”

Guests:

Joyce Vance, Distinguished Professor of the Practice of Law, University of Alabama School of Law - legal analyst for NBC and MSNBC; writes the popular Substack "Civil Discourse"; author of the new book, "Giving Up Is Unforgivable: A Manual for Keeping a Democracy"; was a career federal prosecutor for 25 years

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