Justice Smith has been carving a name for himself since his big break in Baz Lurhmann’s The Get Down (2016) as an actor who balances big blockbusters with hefty legacies and built-in fanbases (Jurassic Park, Pokemon, Dungeons & Dragons), with subversive indie films such as A24’s triumph I Saw The TV Glow with its broader trans metaphor, The American Society of Magical Negroes, and high school TV series Genera+ion.

Now he’s joining the Now You See Me franchise with its latest instalment Now You See Me: Now You Don’t — alongside Woody Harrelson, Jesse Eisenberg, Isla Fisher, Ariana Greenblatt, Rosamund Pike — in which he plays a key role that could really run and run.

He joins us on the couch for the first time to discuss this new film, heading to LA’s storied Magic Castle and training to be an illusionist for the role. Plus we find out more about his upbringing in Orange County, his biracial background, acting as catharsis and therapy, and the balance of art and commerce. Is he in the midst of his Saturn returns? The 30-year-old seems to think so, but he’s on such a career streak it’s hard to imagine what his life would look like when his planets are aligned!

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