This week on Talkin’ Politics, S.E. chats with former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre about why she left the Democratic Party, the rise of independent voters, her message to Dems, and her new book, “Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines.” And later, do you hear that noise? If you’re in Washington, D.C., it’s probably the clang of construction and the end of an historic era as President Trump tears down the East Wing to make way for a 90,000 square foot ballroom. And S.E. has some thoughts!

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