Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Kail and Vee talk about some of the graduation ceremonies coming up for the kids. Vee is looking for ways to make graduation more memorable for Vivi. Kail is hoping that with major stressors now subsiding, her depression can take a back seat. Kail talks about brain mapping but Vee wants to introduce her to the world of yoni steaming. They also look at their genetic testing report and compare results. Then for Down in the Dm's they read a story about about a woman who needs relationship advice and another one about a woman who was kidnapped by her prison bae.

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Kail and Vee update everyone on the kitten situation and then dedicate the rest of the episode to Down in the DM submissions. DM's include stories about breadcrumbing, threesomes, multiple jail baes and co-worker drama.

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With some of their kids going through graduation, Kail and Vee reflect on the Uvalde tragedy. Then they discuss the miniseries "Candy" and what they would do in a life or death situation. Vee talks about Jo wanting to return to social media and describes what it takes to do well in that world. Kail believes she was able to talk to animals when she was younger. Then they read a Down in the DM involving a prison bae love triangle and a co-parenting question.

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Kail and Vee talk about their recent celebration dinner and how Vee tried to keep the party going after hours. They discuss how partying gets a lot harder when you get older and have kids. Vee is having a hard time moving to a new home even though she coached many people through the process. Kail is getting fed up with packing lunch for the kids and talks about how hard it is to keep up with their changing tastes. Then the read a Down in the DM about a prison boyfriend and another one about a baby daddy who has money but doesn't want to pay the bills.

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Vee becomes a Crocs convert and tries to decide what concert she wants to go see. Kail tries to to introduce her kids to old music and is impressed that they are starting to form their own opinions. Kail and Vee contemplate new ways to meet listeners. Vee gives a therapy update and recognizes that her mind goes on the defensive when her motherhood is questioned. They they read a Down in the DM from someone with daddy issues and someone who almost got tricked into legal guardianship.

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Kail and Vee catch up after not recording together for a while. A lot has happened since the last time they saw each other. Kail attempts to explain depression and medication to her kids. Kail and Vee discuss soft-launching Kail's boyfriend. Vee shares a funny story about the first time Jo said I love you. Both Kail and Vee's dogs are having a tough time and the results have been...messy. Then they read a few Down in the Dms dealing with trauma, fantasy and murder.

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Kail and Vee talk to actress, influencer, and comedian Laura Clery. Laura talks about how she ended up in LA, how she met her husband and sobriety. Kail talks about being hit hard by depression and asks Laura for tips on sustaining a lasting relationships. Then they listen to a few Down in the Dms about brothers who are a little too close and co-workers who are a little too friendly.

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Vee talks to her mother-in-law, Janet. She describes her experience with Teen Mom and whether she would do the show again. Janet lets us know what her life is like at this stage and discusses the importance of "taking care" of yourself as a woman. She also talks to Vee about dating and why she decided to move closer to family after being independent for so long.

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Vee talks to Naja Hall aka The VIP Stepmom(@vipstepmom). Naja describes how she became a coach for other stepparents following the harassment she experienced while in new relationship. Vee and Naja discuss how baby mama drama can affect people at all income and education levels and how the root of most conflict is unhealed trauma. Naja offers tips on dealing with the stress of court, how to help husbands to deal with the bio mom and how to handle discipline when it comes to stepchildren.

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Kail and Vee talk to Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson from the extremely popular podcast, Guys We F****d. Both Corinne and Krystyna are comics and on their podcast they talk about taboo subjects while being hilarious. They reveal how they got started as comics and podcasters and what it's like working in such a male dominated industry. Also, Kail, Vee, Corinne and Krystyna talk about all the stigmas woman face regarding sex and why it's important to see the contradictions in these stigmas and what it says about the people trying to uphold them.

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