In this episode we talk with Liana Upton about her experiences of having children and running an equestrian business.  She candidly shares the many challenges, and we talk about how women manage their lives as self employed horse trainers whilst giving birth,  breast feeding, and looking after children.  We take our collective hats off to Liana and all other women who manage this quite extraordinary feat.  We hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed chatting.  You can find Liana at https://www.sitwellmethod.co.uk or on facebook under Ravenroyd Equestrian https://www.facebook.com/ravenroydequestrian Kathleen and Kate can be find in their usual places;  www.ethosequine.com and www.softandsound.org