When you're a podcaster with an unfiltered partner, and also a really good interviewer with a passion for documenting some of the luminaries of our sport, you have to learn to balance the forces of industry and non-endemic sponsors, subscribers, and your own personal efforts toward excellence. David Lees Scales has been at the surf podcast game a long time. Enjoy.

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