Quillette podcast host Jonathan Kay talks to NCAA backstroke champion-turned-activist Marshi Smith about her years in the pool, the Lia Thomas controversy, and Smith’s campaign to protect the integrity of female sport. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Quillette podcast host Jonathan Kay talks to NCAA backstroke champion-turned-activist Marshi Smith about her years in the pool, the Lia Thomas controversy, and Smith’s campaign to protect the integrity of female sport. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Quillette&nbsp;podcast host Jonathan Kay talks to NCAA backstroke champion-turned-activist Marshi Smith about her years in the pool, the Lia Thomas controversy, and Smith’s campaign to protect the integrity of female sport. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices" rel="noopener noreferrer">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Keeping Biological Males Out of Women’s Swimming

The Quillette Podcast is a platform for rigorous, academic discussions rooted in common sense and free inquiry. Non-dogmatic and grounded in liberal values, the podcast serves as a beacon for thoughtful conversation on science, politics, philosophy, and culture. Quillette prides itself on intellectual honesty, avoiding ideological extremism in favor of evidence-based reasoning and progress. Hosted by leading voices in academia and journalism, past guests include evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt, and journalist Douglas Murray, among others. Expect candid conversations that promote common sense and challenge anti-science and conspiratorial narratives from both the far left and right.

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The Quillette Podcast is a platform for rigorous, academic discussions rooted in common sense and free inquiry. Non-dogmatic and grounded in liberal values, the podcast serves as a beacon for thoughtful conversation on science, politics, philosophy, and culture. Quillette prides itself on intellectual honesty, avoiding ideological extremism in favor of evidence-based reasoning and progress. Hosted by leading voices in academia and journalism, past guests include evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt, and journalist Douglas Murray, among others. Expect candid conversations that promote common sense and challenge anti-science and conspiratorial narratives from both the far left and right.

The&nbsp;Quillette Podcast&nbsp;is a platform for rigorous, academic discussions rooted in common sense and free inquiry. Non-dogmatic and grounded in liberal values, the podcast serves as a beacon for thoughtful conversation on science, politics, philosophy, and culture. Quillette prides itself on intellectual honesty, avoiding ideological extremism in favor of evidence-based reasoning and progress. Hosted by leading voices in academia and journalism, past guests include evolutionary biologist&nbsp;Richard Dawkins, social psychologist&nbsp;Jonathan Haidt, and journalist&nbsp;Douglas Murray, among others. Expect candid conversations that promote common sense and challenge anti-science and conspiratorial narratives from both the far left and right.

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