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Dr. Kyle Strobel and Dr. Jamin Goggin join "The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast" to discuss what God has taught them about his way to power and why every ministry leader must wrestle with what their view of power actually is.

Last week, Pushpay CEO Molly Matthews joined us to share the latest findings from Pushpay's "State of Church Tech" report and what the research reveals about the technological opportunities available to churches. Check out our conversation with her here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/468289-pushpay-ceo-molly-matthews-state-church-tech.html

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"The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb: Searching for Jesus' Path of Power in a Church That Has Abandoned It" by Dr. Kyle Strobel and Dr. Jamin Goggin

Biola University

Center for Christian Formation

Mission Hills Church

Talbot School of Theology

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