Editor and journalist Yvonne Hogan speaks about losing her baby when nineteen weeks pregnant. “Grief is a physical thing, you can’t think your way out of it, you have no control over it,” she said in our interview. “Until something bad happens to you, you don’t realise bad things can happen. I just thought you got past twelve weeks and that was it.” We talked about the exhaustion of grief, about the decision to have another baby, figuring out just how to deal with this loss, how to talk about the loss of a baby. “There is no blueprint”, Yvonne said; she went on to set up a baby loss section on independent.ie which is full of personal testimonies from women of all ages, including some who decades later told their story for the first time.