In this live episode, we explore a surprising tension many Fives feel: the deep desire to be known and understood, and the equally strong instinct to hide. We unpack what’s really behind our aversion to vulnerability, how our subtypes shape this dynamic, and what it takes to show up even when we’d rather stay in our heads.

We also check in on how we’re actually doing, share what we’ve been researching lately (spoiler: lots of ChatGPT experiments), and talk about our current areas of growth. Plus, a tough “Would You Rather?” question that gets right to the heart of the Five dilemma.

IN THIS EPISODE:

🔹 Red, Yellow, Green Check-In – Why Cody’s been low-key overwhelmed and Josiah spiraled from a simple question at breakfast.
🔹 Current Curiosities – Both hosts have been down the ChatGPT rabbit hole, from building home servers to creating custom action figures.
🔹 Debunking the Myth – Do Fives really hate vulnerability, or are we just afraid of being misunderstood and depleted?
🔹 Subtypes and Being Seen – How self-pres and social instincts shape our comfort (or discomfort) with vulnerability.
🔹 Would You Rather – Constant curiosity with anxiety… or total peace with no drive to explore?
🔹 Growth vs Comfort – Josiah talks about adult kickball and the challenge of showing up without overpreparing. Cody shares his reluctant quest to get good at sales—and why he still tears up at award shows.

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