She’s made a documentary on the world service, and even a musical on the topic, and now she has a new BBC documentary, provocatively named Better Off Dead?

In this special episode, Liz chats to Emma about making the documentary including: seeing how it works in Canada, her fears about abuse and her sympathy for terminally ill people.

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Access All was made by: Daniel Gordon, Drew Hyndman and Alex Collins.

The editor is Alex Lewis, senior editor Sam Bonham, the presenter is Emma Tracey.

It was recorded and mixed by Dave O'Neill.