In this powerful and honest conversation, Esther and Liz sit down with returning guest and friend Dr. Glenn Siepert — author, artist, and creator of The What If Project. Together, they explore:

✨ What it feels like when faith unravels… again

Glenn shares the disorienting (and strangely hopeful) experience of realizing that the beliefs that once felt solid no longer hold up — and how returning to the “still small voice” inside changed everything.

✨ The difference between the loud voice of outrage and the quiet voice of intuition

We talk about the internal noise that comes from doom-scrolling, fear, and certainty… and the gentle whisper beneath it that calls us back to our truest selves.

✨ How we recreate old fundamentalism in new clothing

Why it’s so easy to transfer judgment, certainty, and arrogance into a “new container” — and how to catch ourselves when we do.

✨ Jesus, the Bible, and faith — reimagined

Glenn reflects on how his relationship with scripture and Jesus has changed: less about worshiping the unattainable, more about remembering who we truly are.

✨ Why love really is a form of resistance

We dive deep into what it means to see the humanity in someone whose beliefs feel harmful or deeply triggering — without abandoning our own boundaries or safety.

✨ Proximity, curiosity, and the slow inner work of healing

We explore how curiosity dismantles fear, why proximity changes everything, and why inner healing is the only path toward outer compassion.

This episode is for anyone who has ever felt disoriented, untethered, angry, hopeful, curious, exhausted, or wide awake.

You’re not alone. And there is another way.