Dr. Jennifer Nash, a leadership expert and consultant to Fortune 50 organizations, is the bestselling author of “Be Human, Lead Human”. She invites you to radically disrupt your leadership thinking and practice to lead effectively in a post COVID-19 world. She shares a research-based, actionable framework to transform leadership thinking and practice, engaging human connection as the cornerstone of organizational performance.

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• “There is no personal self and no professional self, we’re all one human being.” [6:50] We don’t leave part of ourselves at the door when we walk into work each morning, says Dr. Jennifer Nash, as she describes the power of innate curiosity to understand the way humans operate in the corporate world.
• “We have leaders that for the most part want to do the right thing, they wanna lead well but they don't have the tools to do so”. [11:55] In a post COVID-19 world, Dr. Nash says we’ve been in a leadership pandemic. Leaders want to fall back to the old school mentality and old tools because they can't get comfortable in the new normal. She takes a look at what is driving this discomfort and what tools they need to make the change. 
• “The first part of that internal GPS, the ‘Leading Yourself’ is figuring out…what are your values?” [22:55]  Dr. Nash discusses the Human Leading Operating Model, a triangle that features three legs: Self, Others, and Business. She explains the first step: determining the values that guide decision making. This model works together so that leaders can take a look at how they lead themselves so they may lead others and the business more successfully.
• “There should be a lot more emphasis placed on building relationships in the workplace, because that is what helps work get done, it’s the glue that holds the social fabric of the organization together.” [27:00] It's not just the output or just the work employees are doing; who your people are and all of the different facets of their being are important. Dr. Nash explains the fuel and power that is relationship building in the workplace. 
• “The HUMANS Framework came out of all of the research that I did for the book, it addresses all of the needs that we all need as humans.” [30:00] Dr. Nash created the HUMANS framework to highlight 6 elements: Hearing, Understanding, Mattering, Appreciating, iNspiring, Seeing… all connected to these important dimensions of humans and powered by relationships. 
• “Where do you fall on this human leader paradigm?” [36:35] In Dr. Jennifer Nash’s book Be Human, Lead Human is the Human Leader Index, a 67 question assessment. You can also find this online on her website. Not only can you gauge where you are as a human leader, but if you want to move the needle and do the work, Dr. Nash has resources and activities as well.  

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When it comes to using love in the workplace, our guests on this podcast literally wrote the book. Zina Sutch and Patrick Malone are the co-authors of Leading with Love and Laughter. Zina has been leading development and diversity programs in the U.S. government for 20 years. Patrick Malone spent 23 years in the Navy, serving as an officer in the medical service corps. Today, Zina is also a faculty member of the key executive leadership program at American University, where Patrick is the director. 

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• “I look for people having fun at work – laughing. If I see people in a staff meeting cracking up with each other… that’s a good team. So, why hasn’t anyone written a book about this?” [8:55] The two talk about how they decided to write a book about love, laughter, and the workplace. 
  
  
• “The perspective that we had on love was that it was a mutual admiration, respect, and care for one human being to another.” [10:54] It’s important to define ‘love’ early on – there are a lot of different types of love, after all. 
  
  
• “People have this false idea that having emotions in the workplace, feeling love and exuding that love for other people is a weakness.” [13:33] This isn’t true, as Zina says: “But the exact opposite is true: When you are so confident in yourself, in who you are, you know yourself well enough to know boundaries, to know what is right and wrong, how to approach people, what love feels like to you, what it should feel like to others, then you become the strongest person in the room.” [13:47]
  
  
• “If you think you’re a leader, and you look over your shoulder and no one is following you… you’re just taking a walk.” [15:07] Patrick talks about how there are a lot of people in positions of leadership who can direct and tell people what to do, but are they really leading? This happens at all levels of an organization. 
  
  
• “The single most important factor for organizational success and accomplishment is psychological safety.” [17:42] Patrick shares the science that backs up Zina and Patrick’s book. Technology isn't the most important factor, according to Microsoft's research.
  
  
• “Laughter in the workplace, people think, ‘OK, I’m going to be a joke teller’. But that’s not what it is at all. It’s much deeper than that.” [29:18] If you can develop environments where people feel free to laugh and love one another, you’re on the right path. If you walk into the room and everyone stops talking, there’s a problem. It’s important that your presence in the workplace breeds positivity and good feelings—in other words, love and laughter. 
  
  
• “Love starts with the self.” [39:46] Everyone, from the bottom of the corporate ladder to the very top, should focus on loving themselves. That’s how you really begin to love others. Take time out of your day to do self-analysis and determine what 'self love’ means for you.
  
  
• “Don’t make it about work,” [41:02] Patrick says small, one-on-one interactions create love, and when you do that, don’t make it about work. Ask your employees or coworkers about their lives and what’s going on with them. That’s how you create real, authentic connections. 
  
  

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Dr. Natalie Baumgartner is Chief Research Officer and Partner at Contemporary Leadership Advisors (CLA) and Chief Workforce Scientist at Achievers.  She has spent over a decade focused on driving the translation of culture research and theory into SaaS based software, working to help make it possible for organizations to solve problems and achieve goals that advance their performance. In this conversation, Dr. Baumgarnter brings home her passion for connection within organizations with the four pillars of manager effectiveness. 

• “It was very eye opening in terms of where managers are thriving and where they’re struggling, and how employees are feeling about all of the above."  [9:52] Dr. Natalie Baumgartner is talking about the Achievers Report on The Foundations of Manager Effectiveness. Using a variety of factors of effectiveness, the report found that only 28% of employees would actually recommend their managers to others.
  
  
• “Managers aren't getting the training, the support, the scaffolding that they need to deliver these really critical factors that employees need to receive."  [13:01] It’s no surprise managers are not reaching their employees effectively; Dr. Baumgartner says 1 in 5 managers never received any training. So many employees are promoted to managers, but there is no clear guide on what it means to shift from an individual contributor to a manager. This lack of empowerment is creating a systemic issue of failure in management.
  
  
• “There is no such thing as too much recognition as long as it’s meaningful”. [22:08] Recognition is one of the Four Pillars of Manager Effectiveness, in addition to meaningful contact, coaching, and development. Dr. Baumgartner speaks to the great impact of recognition. Managers must give some form of recognition once a month at the bare minimum, but she explains that weekly specific, individual recognition can make all the difference in manager effectiveness and team productivity.
  
  
• “Manager effectiveness and manager empowerment are two different concepts that are linked. We must be empowering, supporting, developing, training our managers to deliver." [25:29] Dr. Baumgartner asks the question, How can we measure and monitor effectiveness if we are not first empowering? First, managers need to set themselves up for success with education, support, and empowerment, and then ask team members how they’re doing. When it comes to measuring effectiveness, the employees ARE the measuring stick.
  
  
• “We’re seeing that female managers are struggling in even more ways than the general population of managers.” [35:17] In their report, findings showed an overall lack of development in managers, but Dr. Baumgartner was surprised to find just how lacking it was when it came specifically to women. She describes the challenge women managers face to move out of middle management and how they are deepening research in this area.
  
  
• “We need to be creating connections inside our organizations. Between managers and employees, between one function and another function, up and down. We need that connection; people aren't getting it, and it’s hurting all of us.” [36:50] Throughout the conversation, Dr. Baumgartner shares the effects of isolation as it relates to this post pandemic era. Now more than ever, in our organizations, in order to be effective, connection is so important.

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Todd Finkle, Gonzaga University Pigott Professor of Entrepreneurship, is the author of Warren Buffett: Investor and Entrepreneur. He was the entrepreneur of six ventures and obtained a PhD & MBA in Entrepreneurship & Strategic Management, and with over 250 books, articles, presentations, and scholarships.

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• “He [Warren Buffet] was doing so many entrepreneurial things through his youth that he made $76,000 by the time he graduated.” [15:08] By the age of 10, Warren Buffett already knew he wanted to be an entrepreneur. Warren started his businesses early with youthful ventures like lemonade stands, selling bubble gum and coca cola door to door, and barbershop pinball machines.
  
  
• “In looking for people to hire, you look for three qualities: Integrity, intelligence, and energy. And if they don’t have the first, the other two will kill you.” [25:45] Marcel quotes Warren Buffett in this advice for hiring as a testament to Warren's good character. Todd Finkle, the guest and author of Warren Buffett: Investor and Entrepreneur, shares parts of Warren’s history that contributed to his value of integrity. Beginning with strong family values but continuing with big life events like his court testimony in the case against the Solomon Brothers.
  
  
• What defines happiness? “Warren will tell you, it’s how many people that love him…he won't say how many houses he has or the kind of car he has.” [33:42] Todd comments on Warren’s philosophy of happiness, which revolves around love for others, generosity, and the people around you. For Warren, more important than money and success is leaving behind a legacy of love.
  
  
• “They’re [Warren’s shareholder meetings] are kind of a combination of a rock concert…a carnival…and a cult. …The people that go there are the best part.” [38:35] Many of Todd’s insights on Warren come from his attendance at Warren’s shareholder meetings, where he got to be face to face with the legend. Beyond the words coming straight for Warren, Todd shares that the environment and community at these meetings with smart, like minded people from all over the world are invaluable.
  
  
• “How to live a better life is so powerful and so important, if you’re doing that you won’t need as much money to be happy.” [42:06] Financial freedom, personal success, and living life to be happy—these are the lessons learned from Buffett and the takeaways author Todd Finkle hopes his readers will take to heart.

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Amelia Dunlop is Deloitte Digital’s Chief Experience Officer and the author of Elevating The Human Experience. Amelia writes and speaks regularly on the topics of human experience, design, and customer strategy. In this episode of Love in Action, she touches on the three paths to elevate the human experience involving self love and worthiness at work and in life. 

Quotes:

• “So many traditions and philosophies teach that the fundamental human condition is one of suffering. There are many things you and I may not have in common, but [we can understand] that feeling of suffering we share.” [9:30] Why is elevating the human experience so necessary? Amelia shares the importance of helping people feel loved and worthy and the impact it has at work.
  
  
• “If you're not putting human needs at the center, you feel burned out; if you’re not feeling heard, you feel gaslit, if you’re not feeling included, you feel excluded.” [12:43] There are many ‘trends’ of focus in the workplace right now, and as Marcel points out, ​​burnout, loneliness, and isolation are not new concepts. Amelia turns these problems around and focuses on the cause: human needs and the human experience.
  
  
• “The first path is the path of the self where we learn to see ourselves as inherently worthy of love.”[16:15] How often do you share love with yourself? Amelia explains the system of external affirmations in society through grades, gold stars, etc. It is the self love that comes from within that allows us to see that we are worthy. She challenges listeners to write down the reasons they are loveable and explore those answers.
  
  
• “You could argue that doing the work on yourself is selfish. No, doing the work on yourself is critical as a leader in particular. You now have to mirror back the worth into somebody else, and that’s the second path.” [29:20] Amelia quotes Ian Forrester when she says, only connect. She explains how we cultivate worthiness as leaders within our employees. We can do this by showing up as allies at work: As a friend, as a mentor, as a sponsor, and as a benefactor. Consider not only who those people are for you but also who you are to others. 
  
  
• “What does it mean to leave someone better off, no matter how brief the interaction?” [37:37] As Amelia begins to discuss the third path, cultivating love in the community of work, she places importance on acknowledging the system that is there; even though it is invisible, it can be deconstructed and redesigned to support our human needs.
  
  
• “The journey element is key, there is no point of arrival…we are always a work in progress."  [41:48] Marcel and Amelia wind down there discussion on the three paths to elevate the human experience. Amelia notes that these paths are not always sequential and require a lifelong journey of work. 
  
  
• “We have about 40 years of research from Gallup that says [recognizing your employees’ contributions improves employee engagement]; it does something special to the human spirit when somebody lifts and builds you up through gratitude.” [43:30] Closing out their conversation, Marcel notes research that backs up Amelia’s tip for leaders: Catch your employees doing good work and let them know!

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Julie Winkle Guilioni is the author of the international bestseller Promotions Are So Yesterday: Redefine Career Development. Help Employees Thrive. As a champion for workplace growth and development, she believes that everyone deserves the opportunity to reach their potential. Julie supports organizations and leaders who want to make that happen with keynote speeches, consulting, and training.

Quotes:

• “It really does feel like Promotions Are So Yesterday is the sequel [to my previous book] because, as you know, Help the Grow really focused on the conversation, ‘How can we disarm this whole thing called career development?’.” [12:14] Before diving into her new book, Julie reiterates the message behind her first book and what that means for her research. 
  
  
• “The climb is listed as well as your other 7 discoveries for these new alternative ways people want to grow and develop.”  [17:05] Marcel and Julie touch on the 7 dimensions of development in the book: Contribution, Competence, Confidence, Connection, Challenge, Contentment, and Choice.
  
  
• “We found that contribution across ages, genders, levels - that was number one.” [23:21] Julie discusses the really positive meaning behind the number one dimension, contribution, as a top need for people in the workplace. A surprising yet comforting bottom dimension? The climb of the corporate ladder. 
  
  
• “This whole conversation around choice is really alive for a lot of employees, managers, and organizations alike, as we try to figure out: where does that decision-making lie?” [30:28] Julie explains how the ranking around choice fluctuates and has changed heavily based on COVID related shifts in the workplace.
  
  
• “A facilitative mindset acknowledges there is wisdom, there are insights, there are brilliant ideas inside each person just waiting to find expression.” [34:59] Julie outlines how leaders can act as facilitators by asking great questions and, at the same time, cultivating silence to create a safe playing field for employees to share their contributions.
  
  
• “The work becomes the development, the development becomes the work.” [47:00] Marcel drops a quote from the book that sums up the movement in which employees are shaping their work and the way leaders can seamlessly embed this intention of learning in any job.

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• “To this day, Bruce is my favorite boss because of his penchant for leading with love.” [0:44] Marcel ‘introduces’ Bruce, a favorite boss from his corporate career. He explains the qualities of love Bruce led with and how they impacted him at work.
• “While he was still "the boss," I was much more satisfied and engaged in that job than at any other time during my corporate career. The big difference? Bruce never managed people from the top down; instead, he led from the bottom up.” [1:30] When it comes to being “the boss” it doesn’t mean leading with high demands and personal gain; instead, it was the freedom and autonomy Bruce allowed his employees that made the difference.
• “We had a higher level of commitment because we could see the relationship between the organization's direction and what we personally believed in and cared about.” [2:50] As Marcel closes out this excerpt from his book to be released in Fall of 2024, he shares exactly how the entire organization and the employees benefited from the leadership of Bruce and his focus on relationships and trust.

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“The way most Western businesses operate today can be traced back to Friedman’s essays. Love and care as business values were as distant to Friedman’s model as Pluto is to planet Earth.” [2:35] Marcel references Milton Friedman, a champion of free enterprise, and his NYT articles from the 1970s that share a doctrine of shareholder primacy and his ‘Greed is Good’ mentality.

“We will need to completely overhaul our selection process to identify, hire, and promote leaders and potential leaders who embody the principles of Love in Action.” [3:24]  There is a clear shift and ‘Changing of the Guard’ so to speak, that Marcel explains in order to help this new vision of love and care create profit that is good for humanity

“Until we abandon systemic managerial thinking anchored in the industrial revolution, where autocrats hold control, power, and decisions at the top, we will hold back the workforce—our most valued employees—from reaching their fullest potential."  [4:55] As Marcel closes out this sample of his future manuscript, he emphasizes the reason for the Love in Action podcast and the importance of these conversations that engage the idea that companies profit when the human lives supporting them flourish.

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Heather McGowan is one of the leading voices on the Future of Work. She’s the co-author of The Empathy Advantage. McGowan is a sense maker, a dot connector, a deep thinker, and a pattern matcher who sees things that others miss. Heather gives people the courage and insight that illuminates their path forward. She’s transforming mindsets and entire organizations around the globe with her message about how the next phase of work will focus on continuous learning and how leadership must shift to guide these expeditions. 

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• “Leaders cannot be unquestioned experts making decisions in certainty and calling all the shots.” [8:39] As Heather McGowan joins Marcel to discuss the book she co-authored, The Empathy Advantage,  she explains the purpose behind discussing this important topic. Leaders need to rely on their people in an ever changing workforce, and the only answer is empathy to access this human potential. 
• “We’re looking at about a 30% churn in the labor market. If that’s your new reality, you can’t lead the way you used to lead.” [11:03] People leaving jobs due to poor leadership and burnout was only catalyzed by the pandemic. 2021 was not the end of the great resignation, in fact it only increased in 2022 and 2023, people are continuing to leave jobs because they are empowered and need  to be led better. 
• “If you’re hearing cynicism [in your organization], they don’t believe the things you're saying…they don’t believe you. You’ve lost trust. Your culture is gone.” [19:50] Culture is an important piece of the leadership puzzle. How do you know when you have a toxic culture or something is going wrong? Heather says the number 1 warning sign is cynicism. 
• “Most people at every level of an organization are leading people that have skills and knowledge that they do not.” [21:39] The old way of leading was born of a different generation and way of life, that just isn’t going to work anymore. Organizations are built differently and for good reason. To get through this and lead the way of today Heather explains 4 fundamental shifts: mindset, culture, approach, and behavior. 
• “Empathy is good for business because if you apply empathy to your customers that's the foundation of innovation…Empathy towards your employees means your focused on activating their human potential.” [25:59] As Heather and Marcel wind down the episode, she explains her ultimate hope for the readers of her book: Empathy is not something that diminishes performance.

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Matt Poepsel hosts the “Lead the People” podcast and is the author of Expand the Circle. His mission is to help us liberate ourselves from outdated attitudes and behaviors that hold us back from our true potential. When working with organizations, Matt partners with HR Leaders, Executives, and Team Leaders who seek to help their leaders—and themselves—embody an enlightened leadership approach.

Quotes:

• “We are grateful and honored that you choose to spend time with us every week...because there are literally millions of podcasts out there.”[2:12] Welcome to the 200th episode of Love in Action, this is no small feat and as he celebrates, Marcel Schwantes thanks his listeners from around the globe as well as his incredible guests. 
• “Leadership holds such potential for us to change our organizations for the better.” [9:54] As Marcel and Matt Poepsel, PhD dive into their discussion, Matt explains his love/hate relationship with leadership. He feels it has so much power and importance but as a whole it's not getting the development, attention, and service it deserves.
• “How do we cast off these outdated notions, attitudes, and beliefs about what leadership is?” [12:05] The theme of Matt’s book, Expand the Circle…Enlightened Leadership is defined by Matt as a modern, contemporary, and less selfish version of leadership.
• “Being, Belonging, and something Bigger than myself…we all want these things.” [24:24] Matt introduces the 3 B’s in a team context and how leaders can lead teams and help teams find identification and inclusivity. 
• “Leadership isn’t just the domain of the most senior person in the room.” [27:16]When talking about leading the organization, Marcel makes the point that not everyone wants to be in the C-Suite. Matt explains that anyone can influence the organization and the collective whole in many ways like reinforcing values and influencing the teams around them.
• “When people feel connected to mission, and to one another, and to their own potential selves…that is the place of enlightened leadership and that is only gonna happen through love.” [37:29] Matt shares inspiring words when it comes to what Love in Action means to him.

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