Transcript:Hey everyone, welcome back to the LHR podcast. It's been a while. We've been revamping a lot of stuff behind the scenes on our website and things like that. fortunately the podcast took a little bit of a backseat, but I think we're back now. I think we're going to be in a position where we can do things much more regularly. when I was going back and looking at some stuff, you know, we got some pretty old, it's a pretty old content that probably needs to be updated. So,
Be on lookout for that, just some new updates on some old topics, maybe more just really improving the quality of the content. I know some of the audio and the older stuff that we have out there is pretty rough at points. So trust me, I know. I'm aware. That was a long time ago. And things have definitely improved since then. So.
Be on the lookout for that, but we're going to start off today with kicking some things off with spelling some myths of Hanson's Marathon Method, which if you don't know, my name is Luke Humphrey. I am the owner of Luke Humphrey Running. I've been coaching since 2006 and myself and alongside a lot of the assistant coaches that work for me, we're members of the Hanson's Distance Project for a number of years. have a couple.
current athletes still there. And then I am the author of the Hanson's Marathon Method book series. you know, we've been not the sometimes we get confused with being the authors of the program, but that is definitely not me. That is for sure, Kevin and Keith Hanson, which I guess I've just kind of become a spokesperson for over the years. But, you know, our a lot of our coaching is based off of what Kevin and Keith have taught us. And
And as the author of the Hansen's Marathon Method, I get to field a lot of those questions. So what I want to do today is just kind of discuss really the three biggest things I get with people who are kind of on the fence with Hansen's Marathon Method. Maybe they have some friends putting some things in their ears. Definitely some people, some influencers and bloggers and YouTubers with their own take on things, which I would.
agree with some of it not necessarily all of it. think there's some things that need to be clarified. think when you see when I see people say or write certain things it's kind of clear to me that they didn't necessarily look at the whole program they just looked at a PDF file of the plan and didn't really look at what we explain in the book. So hopefully this will help you.
make a decision, whether it's not to be with us, we just want you to be in the best program for you, but we do feel that this will help this program, the Hanson's Marathon Method will help a lot of people reach their goals, whether it's to run, you know, sub three hours or just complete their first one, you know, as best that they possibly can. And, you know, whether that's, you know, three, thirty, four or five hours, we definitely feel like we can we can get you there.
So let's jump right into it. The first one that I get a lot is that it's a low mileage or less is more type of program. And I can attest to you that that is not the case. Even VeloPress, who published Hanson's Marathon Method books, they were kind of on that train at the start as well. They wanted a title to kind of reflect that. I know that when Kevin and Keith
gave me the opportunity to write the book, we saw it and we're like, I don't really know if that's the best route to go. And we kind of explained to them, you really have to look beyond certain aspects of the program and you'll realize that it's definitely not a less is more. You're running six days a week and even though the long run is only 16 miles, you're putting in…
a significant amount of mileage and really more miles than a lot of programs you'll find, you know, free programs on the web or, you know, what you see in other books and things like that. So you really have to take a whole 30,000 foot view of what the program's really saying and not be so hyper-focused on one aspect. And so, as I mentioned, I think that, I think that people get stuck on that 16 mile thing pretty easily, because that's what, you know, that's the point that
people see the most. Like that's, you know, that's what was marketed in the book. And that's what people will first bring up is that the long run is only 16 miles. And like I said, I think people get really fixated on that. And it's not, it's not the whole program. And they tend to put blinders on what they just see that they don't really look at, you know, what you're doing before and after that. And so I think you really have to
look at what you're doing leading up to that 16 mile long run and then what you're doing after that. And so it really becomes a point of balance and being able to fit a lot more stuff into a program than just putting a hyper focus on the long run. And then I think too, where people get fixated is they will look at like the first two weeks of the program and more so the beginner program.
a little bit less in with the advanced program because you jump into certain things a little bit quicker in the advanced program. But in the beginner plan for sure, you have several weeks where it's a very gradual buildup. And I agree that that, when you look at that, yes, you would kind of look at that like, oh, it's not really a whole lot. But once you actually get into the program beyond that first few weeks and we start doing some things, then I think that…
it becomes clear really quick that it's not a less is more, not a less is more plan. So, you know, I'm going to talk more about the 16 mile long run in a second, but the truth is with HMM, you definitely put in a significant amount of miles. Like I said, you're building to six days a week. You're running two to three, you know, what we call SOS days per week, which, you know, two workouts in a long run. And then your easy volume is fairly significant with
You know, being over an hour for a lot of people on your easy runs. so it, the mileage will add up pretty quickly. And, know, what we have found that it's not necessarily the volume that gets to people. It's when the intensity is too much for a person. And so, but we do, I think a really good job of just putting that into context in the book and trying to explain and, know, whether you see on these podcasts and things like that, where we really put a lot of emphasis on.
appropriate intensities given the day. And I think if people can kind of lock into that mentality, they not only survive the training, but they actually thrive with the training. And so it's hard for sure, but it's incredibly doable when you go beyond what you just see in highlights and what other people are saying about, the book or whatever, but haven't really put it into practice completely. And so you can, you,
can do a lot more than you think you can. And we hold your hand and do that for you with the book, with everything on our site and everything like that. So I would take a little bit deeper dive into some of that stuff and see if it's a right fit for you. Moving on from that, though, I think the second point is that 16 miles is the longest you're allowed to go. And I think the biggest thing you have to clarify here, Kevin says this all the time when Kevin was doing
Kevin, you know, I've spent a lot of time with Kevin when he was doing a lot of the programs and, know, this all comes back from Kevin and Keith wanting to do a training program for people training for the Detroit Marathon, which we're in the Detroit Metro area. Their four stores are in the Detroit Metro area. And, you know, obviously the Detroit Marathon is a big part of the running community around here. And so they really wanted to do a good program for that. you know, they were doing clinics and hosting clinics in the stores and that's kind of how.
I got started with kind of looking at that after I finished my master's degree at Oakland University. And they said, well, you'd be a good fit. And their kids were getting older and they wanted to kind of move away from that so they could spend more time with their family. And so I was like 23, 24 at the time. And so it made good sense for me to move into that. But anyway, he would say that it's not about 16, it's not about 20. Neither one of those numbers are.
are magic numbers, right? They're not the end all be all, you know, as I've coached, you know, I've been coaching since 2006. I've seen a lot of things in those, those two decades where, know, you'll see people hit the wall at 16 miles and then you can have people not hit the wall at all. you know, and I think you get stuck on that where you see so really everywhere you look, it's like, well, the 20 miles race begins at 20. It's true.
Yes, the race, it's almost like your halfway point is almost like the 20 mile mark, right? But it's not, it's not a given and it's not a, prerequisite to being able to run a marathon that you can cover a 20 mile long run in your training, especially if it's a 20 mile long run that takes you four hours to do, or, you know, you focus so much on that 20 miler that you really aren't doing much the rest of the week. And so.
That's really where I really feel like Kevin and Keith were coming from with that. It's like, we kind of have a rule 25 to 30 % of your weekly volume and kind of combine that with three hours, right? So for the vast majority of people that we work with, 16 miles fits well within that 25 to 30 % of their volume and that three hour rule. But I would also say too that if I've had a person who's run
that's gone through the program a couple times and they've done really well, they've managed the training pretty well, they've seen success, then I have no problem moving them up to 18, 20 mile long runs because, especially with the advanced program, you're peaking at about 60 miles a week, little over maybe,