Before leading research at OpenAI, Mark Chen was a self-proclaimed “late-bloomer” to computer science. He pivoted from an initial career in finance to heading up OpenAI’s frontiers research, where he led the teams that created DALL-E, developed Codex, and incorporated visual perception into GPT-4.

Mark tells Rene about his roundabout path to AI research and about how he integrates research and product development to drive scientific progress at OpenAI.

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