From the evolution of the profession to the impact of VAR, the pressures officials face has never been greater.

Today we’re joined by a man who’s refereed at the highest level of European football - both in the club and international game.

With fan-fueled conspiracies on the rise and scrutiny at an all-time high, how difficult is it to be a referee?

Ayo Akinwolere is joined by former Premier League and FIFA referee Mark Clattenburg as well as The Athletic's senior writer Rory Smith to discuss Mark's career, his time at Nottingham Forest as well as the impact conspiracy has on officiating.

Host: Ayo Akinwolere

With: Mark Clattenburg and Rory Smith

Executive Producer: Adey Moorhead

Producer: Guy Clarke

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