Agentic AI is moving beyond assistive tools toward systems that can reason, plan, and act within complex workflows. In the latest episode of the Harvard Data Science Review Podcast,  we speak with Dirk Hofmann and Ulla Kruhse-Lehtonen, co-founders and co-CEOs of DAIN Studios, about what this shift means for organizations in practice.

The conversation explores how agentic AI differs from traditional automation, why outcomes matter more than outputs, and how humans and AI agents can work together responsibly. Drawing on their long-standing work in data and AI strategy, Hofmann and Kruhse-Lehtonen offer practical insights into strategy, governance, and the evolving “mindware” required to make agentic AI deliver real value.

The episode also highlights their forthcoming HDSR article, “The Agent-Centric Enterprise: Why 2–10x Productivity Gains Demand Radical Workflow Redesign,” and their joint online course with the Harvard Data Science Initiative, Agentic AI: Contextualized and Applied, which focuses on applying agentic systems responsibly in real organizational settings. 

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