This week, host Isaac Butler talks to crime novelist and TV writer Megan Abbott, who describes her creative-writing rituals, her go-to story structure, and the challenges of adapting one of her novels for television.  

After the interview, Isaac and co-host Rumaan Alam talk about the surprising origins of the terms story beat and character beat. 

Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to [email protected].

Podcast production by Cameron Drews

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