Would there be less chaos, less anxiety and less fear in the world today had the Western powers of the United States, France and Britain left Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi in place? Today millions of people are displaced around the world, far right and white supremacist groups continue to grow in strength and some Muslim men continue to be radicalised. Could much of this have been prevented had the West stayed out of Iraq and Libya? Audrey Carville talks to Patrick Cockburn (a journalist who reported extensively from the region), Jane Kinninmont (an expert in the politics of the Middle East) and Mahjoob Zweiri (director of the Gulf Studies Centre and Associate Professor in Contemporary Politics of the Middle East at Qatar University in Doha).