In this in-depth episode of Breaking the Rules, we unpack two commonly confused but fundamentally different clinical presentations: moral scrupulosity (OCD) and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD). While they may look similar on the surface—perfectionism, rigid values, intense guilt—the treatment implications couldn’t be more different.

The conversation explores how moral scrupulosity shows up across children, teens, and adults, often hiding beneath “good behaviour,” people-pleasing, over-apologising, and chronic self-monitoring. We also dive into why some clients become stuck in ERP when the underlying issue isn’t OCD at all, but rigidity, control, and ego-syntonic perfectionism associated with OCPD.

This episode is especially valuable for clinicians navigating stuckness, treatment resistance, or confusing presentations—and for anyone who has ever felt trapped by the need to be a “good person.”

💬 Key themes:

• What moral scrupulosity really looks like in OCD
• Why guilt, confessing, and reassurance-seeking are so sticky
• How moral scrupulosity differs from OCPD at a structural level
• Why ERP works for OCD—but often fails for OCPD
• The role of values, culture, religion, and social media pressure
• Common compulsions: confessing, rumination, reassurance, over-apologising
• When rigidity is fear-driven vs personality-based
• How to treat OCPD using schema, ACT, and DBT-informed approaches
• What to do when moral scrupulosity and OCPD co-occur

💡 “OCD hijacks your values and turns them against you.”

🧠 “Good people still have messy thoughts.”

💬 “Rigidity isn’t always anxiety—sometimes it’s identity.”

🔖 Chapters

00:00 Introduction and why this topic matters

02:00 What is moral scrupulosity?

05:30 Why it’s common in kids and teens

08:00 Defining OCPD and why it’s often mislabelled as OCD

11:00 Key differences between OCD and OCPD

14:00 Guilt, confessing, and moral pressure in adolescents

17:00 Social media, cancel culture, and moral anxiety

20:00 Common compulsions in moral scrupulosity

22:00 Psychoeducation vs reassurance

24:00 ERP exposures for moral scrupulosity

27:00 Treating OCPD: flexibility over exposure

30:00 When moral scrupulosity and OCPD overlap

33:00 Differential diagnosis, supervision, and formulation

36:00 Clinical honesty and naming rigidity in the room

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